Where can we get statistics of which BIKES pass the California DMVriding test?

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by JoeSchmoe, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    It should be a matter of public record which bikes pass the California DMV
    riding test and on which try (1st, 2nd, or 3rd).

    But where would one get a hold of that public record?

    Does anyone here work for the government who might know where that data
    is located or whom to ask that would provide it?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 12, 2010
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  2. JoeSchmoe

    Twibil Guest

    It should? In what dream world does the DMV collect and distribute
    that sort of data? (And can you imagine the well-justified screams
    coming from taxpayers who want to know why their tax money was being
    wasted that way?) All the DMV cares about is whether or not the
    *rider* can pass the test: there are no rules stating that you must
    ride certain bikes or even that the bike must be your own.

    If you don't feel up to taking the California DMV test on your own
    bike, then go borrow a street-legal dual sport trials bike somewhere
    and do it that way.
    Twibil, Sep 12, 2010
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  3. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    The DMV writes down every motorcycle that takes the test and the status.
    Anyone who has taken the test has to fill out the forms.

    They have the statistics.

    The question is how to get those statistics.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  4. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    This question isn't about your emotion; it's about the truth.

    If anyone has an idea of how to obtain the statistics from the California
    DMV (i.e., the truth), let me know.

    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  5. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Hi Twibil,

    Did you ever take the California DMV test? Did you ever fill out the
    forms. Guess what is on those forms? Yup. You guessed it. The bike.

    They have this information.

    The question isn't whether or not YOU can pass the test nor if I can (I
    have my license already); the question is how to get the statistics.

    I don't know how to get a hold of those statistics; but I'm surprised
    NOBODY here knows how to get a hold of those statistics.

    Don't any bikers work for the government?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  6. Oh sure. And I suppose you'd have us believe this
    is not yet another one of those government coverups ?

    Don't make me laugh.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 13, 2010
  7. JoeSchmoe

    Twibil Guest

    Yes. And the truth is that several people from this forum alone have
    passed the test on either their first or second try, just as many
    other people pass that same test on all sorts of bikes all the time.

    If your emotions can't deal with that, and your ego demands that you
    call them liars because it makes you feel better about your own
    limited skills, it frankly isn't anyone's problem but your own.
    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  8. JoeSchmoe

    Twibil Guest

    Yes. And passed it on the first try on a '98 Honda VFR, despite not
    being the world's most skilled rider.

    But of course if you'd actually read the thread you'd already have
    known that...
    Poor soul, do you really not understand that nobody bothers to keep
    track of that sort of thing? That the DMV has *always* been
    chronically understaffed and overworked, and that that's why you used
    to have to stand in line for at least an hour to get your new driver's
    license (or whatever) and that that was the case long *before* the
    current staffing and budget cutbacks? That writing info down on a
    form has zilch to do with actually having someone collate the data and
    store it somewhere? And that it would have taken untold -and
    unbudgeted- hours to do so for no worthwhile return so far as the DMV
    is concerned?

    Sorry; the DMV doesn't work like that. And never did.
    Sorry. Just saying so doesn't make it true.
    Sure they do. I even know a couple.
    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  9. JoeSchmoe

    Twibil Guest

    Face it: the coverup here is that "Joe Schmoe" and "JM" are the same
    guy; trolling because he couldn't pass the riding test and wants to
    blame anyone other than himself for that fact.
    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  10. JoeSchmoe

    ? Guest

    Sorry, JoeSchmoe, but the rules of rec.motorcycles (aka "reeky")
    prohibit actually anwering any newbie's question.

    The obnoxious clique inhabiting reeky will argue endlessly and insult
    the newbie and each other, but will *never* give him any useful
    ?, Sep 13, 2010
  11. JoeSchmoe

    Tim Guest

    As opposed to the above, far more helpful, response.
    Tim, Sep 13, 2010
  12. Why must people always scoff and sneer at these
    courageous posters and call them trolls ?

    You guys act like they're obsessive nutjobs instead
    of dedicated crusaders, in this case, seeking to
    uncover an evil conspiracy between the treasonous
    and corrupt California DMV and the Motorcycle Safety

    I pity you for your naivete. Unless of course
    you're one of the conspiracies many minions
    ......hmmmm !!!

    I hereby propose a new newsgroup,

    And maybe rec.motorcycles.conspiracies.tech
    for those truth seekers who get picked on when
    offering advice on motorcycle repair.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 13, 2010
  13. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    You're totally right about the lack of useful information! :(

    However, I'm actually not a newbie (I've been here for years under other
    nyms under other ISPs before I moved) ... but it does seem that the rest
    of what you said is so very true.

    The fact that I don't know where to get the statistics was clear from the
    start. I had asked the DMV personnel by phone and they said the
    statistics are private. I can't believe that's true. It must be shared
    with someone, otherwise they wouldn't collect it for every single biker
    who ever took the California DMV test.

    Anyway, after a score of responses, all we get is people who don't know
    the answer. But, I'm an optimistic soul.

    Please let us know if you actually know something about how to obtain the
    California-DMV-compiled statistics for which bikes pass/fail the riding
    test. The results would be enormously enlightening.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  14. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest


    With all due respects, why are you so afraid of the facts?

    If you don't know the answer to the question, can you just kindly bug out
    as your responses are not at all helpful to find out a simple fact.

    I ask again:

    Does anyone work for the DMV on this group that can provide us with the
    facts of which bikes pass and which bikes fail?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  15. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Hi DF,

    That might be true ... but ... all we would need is a single day's
    results (or any other statistically valid sample).

    Long ago, I had asked the manager of the local DMV what they do with the
    bike information and she said they use it to compile statistics,
    especially when I told her a larger bike couldn't pass, she said that
    plenty did ... which is fine by me ... just prove it ...

    When I asked her how to get the statistics, she said she didn't know.

    So, all these statements that larger bikes pass "all the time" may or may
    not be true ... but when I get a handle on the true pass/fail figures,
    we'd all learn a lot from the information.

    Don't you think it would be INTERESTING to see the results if even for a
    day or a week or a month?

    If anyone knows whom to ask for these statistics, completed daily by
    every DMV in the state, please respond. TIA
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  16. JoeSchmoe

    Tim Guest

    Nice of you to re-introduce yourself to your old, on-line friends.

    Wonder why one would feel it necessary to cloak himself in anonymity?

    Also interesting is just *whom* considers reeky to be inhabited by an
    "obnoxious clique," yet cannot seem to muster the personal fortitude
    to look elsewhere for online motorcycling discussion.

    And now, the same seems to be true for our "old friend" "Joe," who
    must know many of those who are responding to him, as many have been
    here for ten years or longer.
    Tim, Sep 13, 2010
  17. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Hi Rob,

    I'm trying to respond to all serious respondents as a usenet courtesy
    extended to all, even you and Twibil.

    Why do you feel I should be afraid of the facts?

    All I am asking for is the fact of which bikes took the test and what
    were the results. The results, for even a day, would be enlightening.

    You seem to think that anyone looking for facts is a paranoid
    conspirationalist (I made up that word just for you). :)

    Obviously the facts are uninteresting to you...

    However, if anyone else thinks that the facts of which bikes passed/
    failed the DMV riding test might be interesting, then THOSE are the
    people I ask the question below ...

    Do you have any idea whom to contact in the California government to
    obtain those facts?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  18. JoeSchmoe

    Tim Guest

    The DMV completes the statistics. Ask the DMV for the statistics. If
    they cannot provide them, then you are probably out of luck.

    Or, you can contact your state senator or state representative and ask
    them to inquire on your behalf.

    Or, you can contact your state rider's rights organization(s) and ask
    them to inquire on your behalf.

    Or, you can contact the AMA and ask them if they can inquire on your

    If the state of California has a state version of the federal FOIA,
    you can request the documents under that program.

    You're welcome in advance.
    Tim, Sep 13, 2010
  19. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    And to think, I thought I had fooled you that my true name was "Joe

    Just to be clear, JM is the same as JS.
    Just look at the headers.
    They are both just nyms.
    I change my nym every week.
    I'll have a different nym next week. So what?
    The questions are still valid.

    The two questions are related.
    - Does anyone know if Arnold took his own riding test: Answer: No.
    - Does anyone know where to get DMV pass/fail stats: Answer: So far, No.

    So far, nobody knows any more than I do about the simple answer to these
    two questions. And, well, that's pretty sad.

    But, I'm always optimistic because the usenet has pulled through for me
    (and millions of others) in the past ... notwithstanding guys like you
    and Kleinschmidt who are trying to be helpful but who don't have the
    answer to the question and therefore bring everyone down to their level
    that they can sustain a conversation.

    Back to the topic please ...

    If you DO know the answer, please let us know.

    The 'nym' currently known as Joe Schmoe
    Psssst. Rob ... that's not "really" my true name ...
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
  20. JoeSchmoe

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Hi Rob,
    I'm trying to be courteous but you do seem to drop the level of the
    responses down to yours.

    Let me ask you a question please ...

    If you don't have a clue as to the answer ... why do you continue to

    And, the question I ask myself ... why haven't I put you in the
    killfile ... although I do have the optimistic belief that out there on
    the usenet, someone knows the answer to the question as I can't be the
    first on the planet to ask every time.

    Back to the question (as SOMEONE must know the answer):
    - Do you know how to obtain facts about what bikes pass the test and what
    bikes do not pass the test?

    I think we might need to widen this question to other 49 states at this
    point because those in California, including me, are clueless (so far) ...
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 13, 2010
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