Where that our money goes...

There was electron segregation then too?

I meant with the adult learning, though your reply was funnier!

Super-Hammo

 

Haven't done the adult literacy for a couple of years now. I think I'm too
remote (in location) and too many people know their neighbours.

I still remember the electrical colour code as Black Bastards Rape Our Young
Girls But Violet Gives Willingly but don't say it out loud.

Theo

 

Oh the humanity.......

Hammo

 

Happy to help

Grandpa Conehead

 

Oh Puhleese. That's the *opportunity cost* of choosing to have children
AND wanting to work. That's not a direct cost of raising children. On
that logic it costs a supermodel about 15million bucks to to age 3, but
it only costs Kylie from Macquarie Fields about $3.50 (the first hour
of the job at McDonalds before they realise she isn't going to make the
cut). That opportunity cost varies wildly according to the relative
value of the work that a woman could otherwise be performing and bears
no relationship to the actual basic costs associated with having a
child, not only that it's the same opportunity cost regardless of
number of children hence to be rational you'd have to amortise it
against the number of children (each additional child would therefore
be cheaper to raise).

If you want to argue that kids get in the way of women earning income,
no shit Sherlock, that's why there's been so much debate on it, and why
Sweden for example gives support related to the earning capacity of the
woman (and France is debating doing so as well). It's the big gotcha of
the late 20th early 21st century - by increasing the education, status
and opportunities for women, you reduce their incentive to procreate,
hence the declining birth rates in the West.

JL

 

I was thinking of you when I met up with a gaggle of them riders what you
ride with from Cobar.

Too funny!

Hammo

 

I suppose a Gameboy and an education are not direct costs either.

So Kylie from McQuarie Fields get $1 a day?

Theo

 

I must admit, i cant look at anybody in a housing commission area with out
thinking i wonder what they are known for.

because if you live in a housing commission area, you will most likely be on
our system, as an offender, a victim or a witness to something.

so many people abuse the system, admittinly its probably only about 10% of
the people and their families dont help so about 25% i really deal with, how
ever this makes 90% of my work.

how do i know about this kid thing you ask, well a house once got onto my
brother when he was 16, decided to get pregant to him so she could do what
her mother does and get a housing commission house as a single mother., also
took him for everything he had, took his car, took his money, refused access
visitations, even tried to take the house my parents built. Of course she
made this quight public while she was doing it, and my brother was too
stupid to know what he was doing. My experience with houso's isnt just on
the job.

 

Unlike your bro?

Larf! I nearly went to Griffith.

Hammo

 

Indeed, hence my closing line of "if you're really earning a half mill
and paying that much tax you need a better financial adviser"

JL

 

I'm almost always pissed!

 

Of course they are, assuming they are spent solely on that child, but
the gameboy isn't a basic cost, nor is a private school education.
Sending your kid to the local public school is theoretically free in
itself (public schools can't legally enforce the "fees" they charge)
although there are certainly ancillary costs associated with the
education (uniforms etc).

If you choose to spend 10K a year on sending you kid to Kings, good on
ya, but don't tell me it therefore costs an extra 120K plus the probably
additional 200K you'll spend on all the other costs to raise your kid.
It doesn't, that's a choice, it's no different to saying "it costs 4K a
week to go to work from Mosman to the Sydney CBD"-> because I bought a
$1m Maybach and a parking spot in the city", no, you've chosen to spend
way in excess of the basic cost and good luck to you if you can, but
that's not what most would consider the unavoidable cost of getting to
work ($50 a week for the ferry will do most people).

There's the unavoidable costs of having kids - feed them, clothe them,
buy them school books etc - last study I saw, a few years ago said
roughly 150K to end of highschool (with the bulk of that in the teen
years obviously). Then on top of that you can spend a fortune if you
have it - skiiing every winter, a Porsche when they're 16, whatever, but
that's hardly unavoidable, is it ?

Opportunity cost is a whole different discussion, there is no doubt
there *is* an opportunity cost, but it's bloody hard to quantify because
its quite literally different for every parent, will the grandparents
look after the kid for free, how much could the parent be earning, what
are the other opportunities etc etc

Basically, yes, that's exactly right. The proposal in France is a top up
on top of the basic parenting allowance - it caused quite a stir - those
who think the most welfare should go to the poor are up in arms (and
generally I'd be in that camp) but it is a very rational response to the
problem as Greenday* put it that "only morons are breeding" - those who
have the lowest opportunity cost are indeed the most likely to have kids
(totally rational response to economic stimuli), hence the only way to
change that is to reduce the opportunity cost

JL
*was it greenday or travis ?

 

In the ten years I rode Harleys, I came to regard coppers with much the same
suspicion. I couldn't pass a cop car going in the opposite direction without
checking the mirror to see if it was pulling a u-turn behind me.

Ten years later, I still can't.

Toosmoky
Work to ride, Ride to Work...
http://toosmoky.d2.net.au

 

Maybe the "day" was Mardi Gras.

 

Damn! Beaten by half-a-week!

 

Well what provides care and housing for the disabled and the mentally ill
then?
Can we only derive income from other disabled and mentally ill people?
What about the aged? Do the defence-forces have to fund themselves from
now on? (It might be a bit of a dampener on recruitment to know that
you've got to pay for your own F/A18....)
Try thinking before you do the knee-jerk response next time eh?

 

Strop pushing Liberal policy GS!

 

Last I heard he had a fortress at Byron Bay and wants to keep the hippies
and dole-bludgers out of his town.

 

well you shouldnt ride harlies ;-)

 

I haven't for the last ten years.