Where that our money goes...

video update;

http://tinyurl.com/aev6y (825KB)

 

"Feel the hatred flowing within you. Give yourself to the dark side..."

Bush is not responsible for Hurricanes.

It was Mayor Nagin who left hundreds of buses to the floodwaters rather
than use them to evacuate citizens.

It was Mayor Nagin who failed to implement the city's disaster plan.

It was Mayor Nagin who failed to call for a mandatory evacuation (as
urged by President Bush in a phone call to Mayor Nagin) until well after
the hurricane had hit.

It was Governor Blanco who went to pieces and asked for 24 hours to
think about requesting federal assistance.

Federal troops could not be ordered into Louisiana without the
authorisation of the Governor. It would be an act of insurrection under
U.S. law to do so.

Rescuers don't discriminate.

 

I tried the back road from Eildon to Jamieson but it was a bit of a
grind.....
Clem

 

http://tinyurl.com/85lwv

 

I see, it's a joke! A series of jokes. Quite an entertaining read actually.

You have demonstrated that there is more to F9/11 than meets the eye. I'm
not going to watch it again just so I can argue with you (no offence meant),
nor am I going to defend Moore; he is much smarter and has far more
resources than me (and he's bigger and uglier), and I don't think much of
his politics (he seems to think that a Democrat government would solve
everything), so we've bumped into my care factor threshold.

An excellent post, Doug. You've done a good job on the messenger, but I
still shudder.

Gary

 

"Love is all you need"

Bush says he talks to God, and God tells him what to do. I don't think we
can assume that God hasn't delegated powers to him (clearly not omniscience,
nor omnipotence).

In any case, I thought it was established that Bush had a major part in
causing the flooding, by consistently de-funding urgent and necessary levee
work in favour of his vanity wars. If you have dissenting info, I will look
at it.

I daresay; there seems to be plenty of blame to go around, as befits the
worst disaster there for a century.

Let me put it another way: those people I mentioned, and a lot of others
watching from afar, now know what to expect from their government(s) in
future crises, natural or social.

Gary

 

No, wrong again...

http://tinyurl.com/c6mh5

"Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has denied an account by another
Palestinian official of a meeting with US President George Bush in which
Bush is cited as saying he believed that God told him to go to war in
Afghanistan and Iraq.
A statement in Abbas's name released by his office said an excerpt from an
interview with Palestinian Information Minister Nabil Shaath due to be
broadcast by the BBC in which Shaath described a meeting with Bush in June
2003 gave a "completely false" account.

In the interview for the series, Israel and the Arabs, Shaath described the
meeting, at which he said Abbas was present.

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God
would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I
did. And then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq.'
And I did,'" Shaath said.

"This report is not true," the Abbas statement said today. "I have never
heard President Bush talking about religion as a reason behind the wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan. President Bush has never mentioned that in front of me
on any occasion and specifically not during my visit in 2003."

Shaath could not be reached for comment."

 

What's all the fuss about, they are only Americans, plenty more to go
around, its not like they are an endangered species.

Boxer

 

Abbas would deny it anyway (notwithstanding what he said at the time); no
one on this planet is more dependent on Bush's goodwill:
`Road map is a life saver for us,' PM Abbas tells Hamas
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2
&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

This is the original Haaretz story that everyone else refers to. It says,
and I quote:
"According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to
strike at al Qaida and I struck them" etc. I can't say I'm surprised he
repudiates that now. There is also the Chinese-whispers scenario where the
notes of Bush's comments in English were taken in Arabic, then re-
translated.

But no one seems to care, so we'll skate past that; it is not the only time
that Bush has referred to what we might call divine guidance:
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/ (scroll down to
'Divinity')

And from memory, there's also his line about 'a higher father', and his
chilling post-9/11 reference to a crusade. That might seem like just a word
to you and me, but in the Middle East they live with their history. And all
of the medieval crusades ended up as failures, with immense costs and
negligible positive outcomes.

Gary

 

Meanwhile, back in New Orleans:

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?
c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053
http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=2729&IssueNum=123
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/27189/

Gary

 

Yeah, like that three billion the G8 just gave them won't go far against
Bush's measly half a billion...

So you say that Haaretz said that Nabil Shaath said that Abbas said that
Bush said (or more accurately, his interpreter said that he said)..."God
told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them"

Riiigt...The White House said Bush didn't say it, Abu Mazen said he
didn't say it, Shaath claims it wasn't a literal translation...

Myth busted.

Nothing to see here, move along,...

Nothing to indicate anything more than a normal christian faith in god.

Point 1. "I believe children ought to be exposed to different theories
about how the world started." Your point?

Point 2. Can't be confirmed. No record online. Only google result I can
find points to this document.

Point 3. Merely repeats "mission from god" claim without verification.
That no-one allegedly involved claims that statement is true, it's
worthless.

Point 4. Another second-hand account. No transcript available.

Point 5. Reiterates his faith. Nothing there.

Point 6. Laura Bush explains role of christianity and denies GWB has
ever claimed divine providence for his election.
"You know, it's just a very important part of our life. My husband has
never said -- I think this is some extrapolation from his critics, maybe
-- that he felt like he was called to this. He's never said such a thing."

Grasping for straws now aren't you? A crusade? GWB ain't the greatest at
expressing himself, a flaw which the left have picked up on once or
twice, so to suggest he's suddenly carefully inserted this word into his
speech in order to sow maximum discomfort in muslim nations all over the
world, (*many of which he may need the assistance of* in the wider war
on terror) is a little too much to believe. I don't believe even the
renowned Ms Lovelace could swallow that.

Aren't we talking about Bush's alleged "mission from god"? What muslims
believe in response to GWB's statements have no affect on what GWB does
or does not believe prior to making said statements.

 

http://tinyurl.com/dafj8

 

http://tinyurl.com/9m3n8

 

So how would you account for the changes to Abbas' story? Could that be in
any way related to this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1487243.htm
What do you think, was he lying then, or is he lying now?

In any case, I have posted in haste and repented at leisure. Lots of fine
people, including some in this very place, speak to God on a regular basis,
in prayer. Within the context of their belief system, many would feel that
God advises them, or otherwise illuminates their lives. I apologise for
implying they are as foolish as George W Bush, who may or may not do what
God tells him; it's probably no big deal either way.

That works for me. I gave up my imaginary friends about 50 years ago.

Crusader Rabbit said it before me, here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010916-2.html
The "crusade" comes just a few words after he says "No one could have
conceivably imagined suicide bombers [...] fly U.S. aircraft into buildings"

Here's Urban II's speech(es) that kicked off 200 years of mayhem and misery:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/urban2-5vers.html

Gary

 

Abu Mazen has not changed his story because the original story simply
wasn't true in the first place. None of the persons quoted will verify it.

It's a dead parrot.

Unless you've got some proof that Abu Mazen changed his story in
exchange for a pat on the head from the White House, your conspiracy
theory has no more life than the parrot.

Certainly. I'd lay odds that Clem was recently one of 'em...

What you implied was that GWB is some sort of religious fundamentalist.
That, he is not.

Still hung on to that vivid imagination though, eh?...

I know, and you'd know that I know, had you read the bit I wrote
immediately following the line quoted above, that I never said he didn't
say the word "crusade". He did.

If you think he meant it in a biblical sense though, well, it's just
that willingness you share with the more rabid Bush-bashers to believe
almost anything to picture him as a bad guy no matter how questionable
or implausible.

Allow me to repeat the remainder of the above quote. It's still good.

"GWB ain't the greatest at expressing himself, a flaw which the left
have picked up on once or twice, so to suggest he's suddenly carefully
inserted this word into his speech in order to sow maximum discomfort in
muslim nations all over the world, (*many of which he may need the
assistance of* in the wider war on terror) is a little too much to
believe. I don't believe even the renowned Ms Lovelace could swallow that."

Is that *really* easier to believe than GWB being simply unaware that
muslims might see the word "crusade" in a totally different context to
what the average infidel would?

 

That kicked off the crusades but you ignore the point that the crusades
were a response to four centuries of violent muslim expansionism
following the death of Mohammed in the seventh century.

The crusades "were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious
knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which
Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At
some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself
or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense."

http://tinyurl.com/wat6

 

No no he's not dead, he's restin'!

I'd say he thanked ****, too!

It appears to me, and not having done any research, a lot has been lost in
translation. When bridging cultural divides it sometimes help to emphasise
the literal phrase with one they may also relate to... or not.

 

Right, so I said I'd get back to you.

OK, I said "the obvious statement is" not that I thought it was right
wing. I actually didn't have the time or inclination at that point to
read it and determine either way (although it was a pretty safe bet
where it was going to fall)

This says more about you than it does about Moore. You have no
conception of context, or of telling a story. It doesn't matter when it
occured, the point was that he thought he'd won but it was "only a
dream", is this any different to have a "dream sequence" and then the
proponent wakes up, so you can communicate hopes desires emotions ?

Your inability to understand concepts I've discussed with my 8 year old
niece (who quite got them) is disturbing. What's more disturbing is you
think you're bolstering your case.

Why would I want to ? You're genuinely insane. You actually think you're
making a point here. Time to stop talking to those moonbats, or to slow
down the ingestion of those illegal substances

JL

 

Proof's in the pudding, walk into your local shop.

Nothing constitutes proof to you, on the other hand a court of law
accepts testimony, and the rational people do as well (yes, you're excused)

JL

 

No, as carefully documented by Frontline, and shown on SBS tonight, Rove
is VERY VERY good at giving Bush the words he wants him to use, and
using lots of "deniability" to avoid admitting what he likes to imply
but not state.

JL
(Bush is a good puppet, he says exactly what he's told to)