Where that our money goes...

Breeder bribes! You see, whinging constantly about how no one is doing
nuffing for Duh Famblies does work.

 

How much money does a person need?
Do the highly paid really work harder?

 

And there you have it... the problem with government has with spending
on roads is that noone agrees on what needs to be fixed. You think it's
a road in sydney which isn't wide enough, some bloke in a semi rural
area reckons its the road with a couple of potholes and no hard
shoulders, and the folk in the bush think that sealing the main street
of town is most important. Then when it is time to prioritise
allocating funding you think that your road deserves to be widened
because you and 60,000 other people will get to work 5 minutes earlier,
the people in the semi-rural areas think that their shoulders deserve to
be sealed because it will save them the cost of a new windscreen every
year and the folk out in the middle of fucking nowhere just want a main
street that isn't a dustbowl in the dry season and a boggy mess every
time the river floods.

Nev..

 

About $11 million

Let 'em. Whilst I have my pina colada on the beach.

 

Firstly, it gives some useful return on the money paid to people. Common
things like cleaning up areas, planting trees. There is lots that could be
done.
Second, it sorts out the real bludgers from the honest people unable to get
work. The bludgers don't turn up (they go surfing or something more
important to them) while the honest ones will turn up and do the work.
Third, it gives the honest ones a little bit of dignity, confidence and
self-respect in knowing that they are doing some work, in contrast to the
bludgers who don't wan't to work and just don't care.
Fourth, turning up for a "work for the dole" program shows the honest
workers are keen to get back to work and "may" help them get another job. It
looks better on the resume to have "working for the dole" than "budging on
the dole".
Lastly, why should people NOT work for the dole? Why should they just expect
to be handed money without working for it?

I used to live at Cronulla and know people there who have been on the dole
for years. They don't want to work. They are happy to go surfing and live
off the dole (and some suppliment the dole by breaking into cars). I don't
accept that.

On the other hand I used to know a couple of old fellas who lost their job
and could not get work as they are too old. After a while they gave up
looking and just started drinking. Maybe if they could have participated in
a work for the dole scheme them things may have turned out different for
them. Or maybe it would not have. We won't know now.

 

Only on purchases - and that's where things get a little more complex. In
general, as income increases and moves beyond that which you need simply to
live, which all people pay, you move into disposable income. Yes, a
percentage is spent on consumable goods and services that incur GST (plasma
TV's, cars and house renovations) but also tend to get invested.

As you move up the income scale, money management gets more sophisticated in
terms of moving from consumption into investment, and more complex financial
structures, the most popular being the family trust, which most (informed)
upper-earners use to minimise tax.

Also, GST does not impact on business expenditure, which means business
owners can avoid GST on goods and services which may (although never
admitted) extend beyond strict business use.

All these opportunities to minimise taxation on excess income are not
available to those who are obliged to spend the great majority of thier
income just to survive.

 

Yes, they do pay more GST as an absolute amount, but as income increases,
consumption combines with investment and the amount of GST paid relative to
income decreases, that's why it's called regressive.

 

<snip>

and anyone who gets paid all of them........ it's their kid who steals your
car with the petrol in it that contributes to their lifestyle......... hmmmm

 

Oh yes it should!

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Did you see that "current affairs" show the other night where they talked to a
woman who was getting a pension, from the fund that she put money into back in
the 50s. They wanted to give her less because she had won tatts and was getting
interest on the amount and that was considered income so they wanted it to
affect the amount of pension she deserved.

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They NEED us to use cars at the level we do. Seeing as only a small percentage
of tax on road users gets put back into roads, if the vast majority of us tried
to use public transport, a) it would grind to a halt, and b) they'd have to
start charging people a lot more to use it to get the taxes they need.


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GB wrote:

And who could blame him for that?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

You really are an idiot nev.

Michael

 

No, they work SMARTER!! Someone who organises building 100 homes a year, or
invents a lightbulb that used less electricity deserves to be paid more. If
you think they don't work hard and get paid for nothing then why don't you
do what they do?

Michael

 

Ben Thomas wrote:

You sure it was from monies she had put in?

I know sfa about any legalized theft in the 50s, but a pension _should_
be affected if you win tatts, its not a right, it should be a crutch to
help the less fortunate IMO.

 

Wooooosh!

GB

 

They specifically pointed out that she had put money in, like we currently do
with our super, but that it was a government run thing.

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I thought that too, then I re-read. If it's a gummint pension, then
yeah, hold back on the pension. If it's a private pension that she
had contributed to over the years and is now drawing down on (and that
is my interpretation on a second read), then it's her money and she's
entitled to it.

GB

 

Hey, we need more children who can grow up to pay taxes so that old fogeys
can retire on their pensions.

Theo

 

Let's start with a means test on parliamentary pensions.

Theo