Which 125 Advise

Shush you, I have to take my entertainment where I can get it
nowadays.

 

*Ding*. If you could you find a set of 125S pegs, that is. Probably
not hens teeth but not that common any more, the 125S having been out
of production for 30 years or thereabouts.

The older Jap built ones don't have a side stand, the Brazil built
ones did and all (?) the last models from about 1999 or thereabouts

T'other half, being short of leg and of bike rising experience, found
balancing the bike to kick it over quite hard and going through the
rigmarole of getting of and putting on the C/S every time she stalled
it a PITA. So I can understand why someone might want a sidestand.

 

Umm, we have 6 Brazilian built CGs ( MSOHPR ) and though they have the
mounting lug, they don't have side stands.

They are so easy to put on the centre stand, we have never bothered sourcing
the optional side stand.

Its all down to technique.

 

Quite... technique it is. I had no trouble putting my Bandit 600 on its
center stand, even with fucked arms.

I think the OP will have trouble finding a 125 lighter than a CG125. If
you're applying all your force in the wrong direction to put the thing
on its stand, this person will have trouble with a 80kg 50cc moped too.

 

This can be an issue. One solution is to ride it off[1][2]. In petrol
stations you get a loverly little squeak from the back tyre as it bites.



[1] Sit on running bike, put into gear and as you sit down hard/pull
back/throw your weight around anyway you can to get the back wheel to
just touch you let out the clutch at pulling away revs. Which practice
you can get slick enough to just crest the rise where you pull in the
clutch and without moving more than 3 inches have got the thing off the
stand but normally you just pull away because you shouldn't really be
letting the clutch out in the first place at that speed unless it was
your intention only to pull it in again for the purposes of changing up.


[2] Snot easy on a GS500 and believe me I have tried. They are hard to
encourage to rock in the first place unless you have added lard to help.
Doesn't have to be lard of course, any added shopping on the back seat
will do.

 

OK, I surrender.

I clearly need to read up on the subject properly, and in any case I was
referring to one female in particular who I certainly attempted to show
the correct technique. The brain hemisphere comment was more in
connection with PC use. Putting a bike on the centre stand is of course
more of a motor skill. You still have to remember the what the 'knack'
is.

I will now follow dog's advice.

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It's a fair cop.
See my reply to Lady Nina.
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some CG's do have a side stand. the one we [1] had definitely had one

and more practice

[1] and ogden, steveH, molly, nidge, IIRC currently resides with Pip.
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Bah! You're no fun. Where's the UKRM spirit man?

I recommend the one above, it's an easy read, made me shout a bit but
gives a good overview and most importantly has pages of references for
the more indepth follow up. If you're EOSMing I'll bring it.

And once again I state you're no fun

 

Nope, not as standard.

They are are bit of a handful when students first try it and it's a pain
having to use the centre stand all the time.

It's not much fun using the centre stand all the time when you're learning
to ride.

 

Yes it can but then there's the interlocks to sort out.

 

This is not uncommon.

Get an older CG125 with a side stand or a SR125.

 

.......and when I saw it, it brought a nostalgic tear to my eye.

 

AOL.
My CG too had both centre and side stand.

I find the current gs500 I have a fickle beast to get on the centre stand,
some years back I fractured the joint capsule of my left hip and it
is still a bit notchy, though that is the leg I use for centre stand
acrobatics, despite contrary and probably correct advice above, success
for me is more usually obtained that way. In most situations, with
spectators and potential for a red face, hidden strength is invariably
summoned. After a long run or a some time on the bike, especially for a
new or infrequent rider the legs can be like jelly and just walking
normally after alighting from the bike can feel strange, stretching the
legs and restoring the circulation shortly before a planned dismount can
help.

It helps to use to advantage any kind of slope or slight incline, such
as road camber where the bike can be backed in to the kerb and stopped
short where the bike wants to continue rolling back and practicing in
this situation where success is almost assured will ease eventually
mastering the technique. The opposite where the bike wants to roll forward
is awkward and best avoided till the knack is acquired and then is still
no picnic for any rider. It'll come with time, don't limit the choice of
bike by this transient criteria, the sidestand is no substitute for a
sturdy centre stand where increased stability is desired and maintenance
operations, even simple ones such as checking the oil level, require it on
many bikes.

 

The spirit is willing...

Well I might be there for Friday night and the Saturday ride. Got to be
in Devon with the Tart on the trailer by Saturday night. Might be on if
it's a slim volume.

<rises to challenge>

I think there's a bit more complexity to this right/left brain thing
than meets the eye at a cursory examination.

A couple of googled snippets for you:

"We talked about whether it was fair to generalize about these styles on
a gender (male left-brain, female right-brain) or political
(conservative left-brain, progressive right-brain) basis, and concluded,
I think, that such generalizations were too simplistic. And none of us
is entirely left-brained or right-brained: We sometimes use styles and
approaches from each column, depending on the circumstances."

"There is major confusion between the words intuition and creativity.
Intuitive people are not necessarily creative, some just keep
duplicating old ruts without much conscious left brain thinking.
Creative people, on the other hand, manage successfully (though perhaps
only temporarily) in the intuitive right brain."





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6inches by 10 inches by inch an a bit.

Not heard that one before, interesting.

Yes, agreed.

And then some!

Now this one is interesting, I'd like to read the original research on
that.

 

I take it this means you're attending. Well done that woman.
Particularly as it will piss Champ off that he's not going to be there
to assess the fresh meat

 

Whatever... the thought of the backend lazily drifting past and
underneath the front because of Mr dribbly diesel is not a happy one.
I'd far rather stick with the way I was taught. Anyway, I've got a side
stand.

Would I be right in thinking that this method requires you to wheelie over
the balance point of the bike/stand combination? I can't work at what
point the stand will begin to collapse. Maybe I can ask an EoSMer to show
me.

 

If I can *find* it :/

 

Do you really think that a bike is more stable on the centre stand?
You are sadly mistaken, if so.

Sight glass? Hold the bloody thing up, get down and have a look. You
will also find that unless the manual specifically directs use of the
centre stand to check the oil, that you have been overfilling your
bike with oil. The difference between the visible levels when the
bike is standing on its wheels on level ground and on the centre stand
is at least the difference between the High and Low marks on the sight
glass, and more than that with a lot of bikes.