White smoke coming out of my right side exhuast pipe

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Cello, Jun 27, 2005.

  1. Cello

    Cello Guest

    I have a 97' Suzuki TL1000s, it is a good bike and has not had any
    problems since I bought it four months ago, I changed oil and filters
    one month ago and three days ago when turning the key on the bike, not
    starting the bike, just turning the key the Oil light kept coming on,
    after starting it would disappear, but I added one quart to the engine
    anyway... a day later when starting the bike it run for a few minutes
    than suddenly turned off and white smoke came out the right side
    exhaust pipe... I turned it on again and it started to run with lots of
    white smoke coming out the pipes... What happened and how do I fix?

    Cello, Jun 27, 2005
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  2. Do you have the owner's manual for that motorbike. It will probably
    tell you whether the oil light is an oil PRESSURE light or an oil LEVEL

    So ar as I know, Suzuki has always had oil PRESSURE lights. Maybe you
    added too much oil to the engine and it blew some of the excess oil
    into the airbox...

    So, open the airbox, remove the air filter and see if it's all oily.
    You can't clean the oil out of a paper filter, but you can wash a
    fabric/mesh air filter like a K&N or a rubber foam filter in

    If you have a lot of oil inyour airbox and the oil level in your engine
    is too high, you will have to drain the oil out and add the correct
    amount of oil. That information should be right on the clutch cover by
    the oil filler hole...
    krusty kritter, Jun 28, 2005
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  3. Cello

    Marcelo Guest

    I looked at the air filter and around the air intake area and yes it had
    oil all over, I have
    drained all oil, changed the filter and put the bike bake together, but
    when I started it, more
    of the same smoke came out and it began to back fire, lots of smoke &
    lots of bake fire? what
    should I do?

    Marcelo, Jun 28, 2005
  4. Cello

    Paul Cassel Guest

    All SV, TL, DL engines use oil pressure sensors. For the KK database.
    Paul Cassel, Jun 28, 2005
  5. Cello

    NA Guest

    I'm not familiar with your bike so I don't know if it's a water-cooled
    engine or not. If the smoke is blue then it's probably oil. If the
    smoke is white then it's probably water or moisture of some type. Could
    it be a coolant leak? Cracked engine cylinder head and/or bad
    gasket(s)/seal(s) maybe?

    The other possibility might be water and/or moisture getting into your
    fuel system?
    NA, Jun 28, 2005
  6. Is the smoke blueish-white and does it linger in the air? That's oil
    YOU SHOULD CLEAN OR CHANGE THE SPARK PLUGS. An oil-fouled spark plug
    would cause the engine to backfire. We call that sound "shooting ducks"
    because that's what it sounds like, hunters shooting at ducks with shot

    If the problem was excess oil and you cleaned the airbox and filter
    out, you may still have some oil in the intake tract and that should
    eventually get sucked through the engine and the smoke should quit.
    Just give it a little time and it may clear out...

    But, if it has that much excess oil in the top end of the engine, you
    might have to clean the spark plugs again and again until the oil is
    all gone. And, I wouldn't recommend revving the engine up or riding
    hard until it stops smoking. There's always the possiblity that excess
    oil in the intake tract would cause a hydraulic lock when the engine
    just can't rotate against excess oil trapped in the combustion

    So, when you clean or replace your spark plugs, be sure to push the
    starter button with the plugs out and open the throttle and BLOW THE

    Other reasons why engines smoke are leaky valve guide oil seals and
    worn out or broken piston rings. If the valve guide seals leak, the
    engine smokes when first started, but stops smoking. If the piston
    rings are worn out or broken, the engine will smoke all the time...

    But, if the smoke is very white, and it rises and dissipates rapidly,
    it may be water vapor. DOES THE SMOKE SMELL LIKE ANTI-FREEZE? Do you
    find droplets of water on the spark plug nose when you remove the spark
    plug from the engine when it's cold?

    That would indicate something like a blown cylinder head gasket, a
    cracked head or a cracked cylinder...

    If you remove the radiator cap and run the engine, you'll see air
    bubbles in the coolant if you have a blown gasket or cracked cylinder

    (1) I was watching an automobile race as the sun went down. It was a
    race for older cars that were no longer competitive on the Indy Car
    race circuit. But the points leader still needed points to guarantee
    his championship in the vintage car season. So he was out driving his
    smoking car around the race track. As the engine backfired, I saw big
    orange flames come out the exhaust pipes everytime the engine "shot
    krusty kritter, Jun 28, 2005
  7. Cello

    Dan Dunphy Guest

    If your smoke is truly white, and has a sweet smell, it is antifreeze.
    Oil smoke is distinctly blue.
    Dan Dunphy, Jun 29, 2005
  8. A good start would be to make sure you had exactly the right amount
    of oil in the engine. Overfilling it with oil can cause a number of
    problems such as foaming and/or pumping oil into places it's not
    supposed to be. If there's too much, you need to get it back to
    the right level.

    An oil pressure light is supposed to go on when the key is turned on
    and go off after the engine starts. If this is what you've got,
    this was normal behavior.

    I think you're in serious need of an owner's manual. Keep on winging
    it without one, and you're liable to pick up a couple of very
    expensive lessons in proper motorcycle maintenance. You may have
    signed yourself up for one already.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jun 29, 2005
  9. Cello

    Matt Guest

    How about overfilled crankcase (engine oil level too high)?

    Or piston rings stuck by rust or other dirt or corrosion?
    Matt, Jun 29, 2005
  10. Cello

    Matt Guest

    Wouldn't that be normal for an oil-pressure light?
    Matt, Jun 29, 2005
  11. We're pretty sure that's Marcello's problem...
    Piston rings will stick if the engine already uses a lot of oil and
    runs really hot and then the oil carburizes into a dark
    chocolate-colored goo that hardens when it cools and glues the rings in

    Old time racers were fond of castor-based oils because they flowed
    toward hot spots instead of away from them. So the rings would get hot
    and the castor would gum them up with a black sticky goo...

    But racers didn't care, they would tear the engine down after every
    race and clean the goo out...

    About the closest any petroleum oil comes to acting like that is some
    of the high asphalt content West Coast oils that would leave a lot of
    black sludge up under the valve covers. Pennsylvania crude oil had a
    higher paraffin content and ran cleaner...
    krusty kritter, Jun 29, 2005
  12. Cello

    Marcelo Guest

    So then it is not something a novice like my self can work on? Is there
    any way to check if it is

    Marcelo, Jun 30, 2005
  13. Have you removed the spark plugs and cleaned them or replaced them? The
    most logical problem is that you over-filled your crankcase with oil
    because you believed the oil light coming on indicated low oil level.
    So the excess oil was blown up into the air box and it fouled the spark
    plugs. That explains the backfiring...

    Nothing that YOU have said leads me to believe that you have stuck
    rings, I was explaining to Matt why stuck rings got stuck...
    krusty kritter, Jun 30, 2005
  14. Cello

    Marcelo Guest

    I will do that and see what happens then. should I crank engine when
    plugs are removed to release any extra oil, or just replace or clean

    Marcelo, Jun 30, 2005
  15. Remove the spark plugs and crank the engine over with the plugs out to
    blow any excess oil out of the engine. Don't crank the engine
    continuously with the starter. Just crank for five seconds at a time.
    Do that several times. The starter is very expen$ive and you don't want
    to overheat it by cranking for too long...

    It would be nice if you could remove the fuse for the fuel pump while
    you're doing this so the fuel injectors can't squirt a lot of gasoline
    into the engine. If you crank the engine over while it's cold, the
    brain box thinks you're trying to start the engine and it tries to
    inject a very rich mixture...

    Even if the spark plugs look clean, as long as you have them out of the

    engine, you might as well replace them. Spark plugs have a strange way
    of going bad internally. I haven't figured out what makes them do that
    when they aren't dirty looking. Maybe they get moisture condensed in
    them somehow and the engine won't start or it runs crappy. About $5
    will get you 2 new spark plugs...
    krusty kritter, Jul 1, 2005
  16. Cello

    Marcelo Guest

    After removing old plugs, I cranked engine twice for five seconds each
    time, no oil came out of the sparck plug holes, so I replaced with new
    plugs and ran bike for about 3 minutes when the smoke began again, not
    as much mind you, but still smoke, I removed plugs to see the how dirty
    they had gotten, they had some darkness to the tips, so I cleaned them
    and put them back in, I put the bike back together and went for a small
    5 to 7 minute ride, it was cut short because the smoke began to come out
    almost as bad as the first time.

    Was I supossed to crank for loner and for more times?
    How long should I expect to burn excess oil before it clears?
    Is there a chance the if I crank engine with out spark plugs I could
    damage engine timing?

    Marcelo, Jul 4, 2005
  17. Your exhaust pipe may still have a lot of oil in the bottom...
    If you didn't see a lot of oil come out the spark plug hole, you should
    be OK...
    If you get the engine well warmed up by riding for half and hour or so
    and it still smokes, you might have piston ring problems. If you can
    get ahold of a compression tester you can pull the spark plugs out and
    test the compression with the engine warmed up and the throttle wide
    open. I would expect to see at least 150 psi from each cylinder...
    No, you wouldn't change the ignition timing as far as I know. It's an
    e;ectronic ignition system with some electronic circuitry that actually
    seems to retard the spark at low RPM and then lets the ignition fire
    earlier and earlier as the RPM increase...

    The ignition advance circuitry wouldn't be getting more than about 12
    or 13 volts when you're cranking the engine with the spark plugs out...

    But the reason you should put the spark plugs into their caps and
    ground them to the cylinder head so they will spark is to mave that
    small spark gap at the plug be the place the spark jumps. If you leave
    the spark plug leads disconnected and crank the engine over, the 25,000
    to 40,000 volt secondary voltage could possibly jump from one winding
    to another inside an ignition coil and ruin it...
    krusty kritter, Jul 4, 2005
  18. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
    NO! NO! DO NOT DO THIS! Cello's motorbike is a four-stroke V-twin. It's
    NOT a 2-stroke!
    NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
    NO! NO! DO NOT DO THIS! Cello's motorbike is a four-stroke V-twin. It's
    NOT a 2-stroke!
    krusty kritter, Jul 4, 2005
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