Why didn't MV develop 2 stroke engine?

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Pat, Mar 23, 2006.

  1. Pat

    Pat Guest

    Maybe this question is not appropiate here and I'm not a mechanic. - but I
    was reading about the 500cc grand prix in the mid 70's, basically how the MV
    Agusta could no longer compete with Japanese 2-stroke bikes. MV set about
    developing a four cylinder engine to increase power but still four-stroke
    and still unable to beat the Japanese bikes. What I'm wondering why didn't
    they simply develop a 2 stoke engine instead. Regards
    Pat, Mar 23, 2006
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  2. Pat

    Hog Guest

    Product Marketing and also at that time the science of how 2 stroke
    induction operated was a black art understood by only a few.
    Hog, Mar 23, 2006
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    kenney Guest

    As a guess, because they would have had to start from scratch.
    Developing a racing two stroke was not simple. It's not simply a
    matter of sticking disc valves into the crankcase. The Japanese
    got a head start when a MZ rider defected with plans and

    Ken Young
    kenney, Mar 23, 2006
  4. Pat

    Bob Scott Guest

    Did Ernst not actually take the bike with him as well?
    Bob Scott, Mar 23, 2006
  5. Pat

    TOG Guest

    I think he did. I read an interview or something with Walter Kaaden
    (the talented MZ engineer who developed disc valves and expansion
    chambers) some years ago, and apparently he never forgave Degner for
    nicking all his work. Kaaden only died a few years ago.

    Amazing to think that MZ was that far advanced.
    TOG, Mar 23, 2006
  6. Grimly Curmudgeon, Mar 23, 2006
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    Lozzo Guest

    Grimly Curmudgeon said...
    Suzuki Carry-Van. He defected to the Big S.
    Lozzo, Mar 23, 2006
  8. Pat

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Not to mention that motorcycles were kind of the count's passion and
    hobby. Once the rest of the family got a say in the business (which
    probably was around that time), they weren't going to throw money at a
    loss-maker of that magnitude. After all, they were doing rather nicely
    building flying things.
    Timo Geusch, Mar 23, 2006
  9. Pat

    Pat Guest

    Thanks for all the information - it's just a pity that the Japanese came to
    dominate racing and the motorcycle market in such a way.
    Pat, Mar 24, 2006

  10. And Ducati never won anything?
    The Older Gentleman, Mar 24, 2006
  11. Pat

    kenney Guest

    Even more amazing when you realise that at the same time Kaadan
    was developing engines for scrambling. However MZ originated as
    the East German part of DKW which had a long history of racing
    two strokes albeit supercharged split singles. Those were the
    ones that could be heard in Liverpool when the TT races were on,
    or so the story goes. Of course Honda also stuck with four
    strokes and kept adding cylinders. Something that was a pity was
    the Moto Guzzi withdrawal from racing. Their 500cc V8 still had
    scope for development.

    Ken Young
    kenney, Mar 24, 2006
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    Ace Guest


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  13. Pat

    Guest Guest

    Please do us and especially yourself a favour and consult the Fine FAQ for
    this newsgroups regarding the posting style.

    Guest, Mar 24, 2006
  14. Pat

    Pat Guest

    Well, you don't want one country dominating an entire industry.
    Pat, Mar 26, 2006
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    Lozzo Guest

    Pat said...
    Please post below the one you are replying to and remove sigs, thanks.

    I suppose you were dead against the British dominating motorcycle
    manufacture and sport before the Japanese entered the fray?
    Lozzo, Mar 26, 2006
  16. Oh, I don't think so - if you're going to produce rubbish, you might as well
    produce world-beating rubbish... ;-)

    Ron Robinson
    R.N. Robinson, Mar 26, 2006
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