Why I gave up the railways and bought a bike

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004.

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    Mo Childs Guest

    South West Trains [1] says its current timetable is nearly 40 years old, and
    since it was introduced populations and travel patterns have changed. It has
    re-scheduled all of its 1,635 trains. "The result is a timetable as closely
    in tune with the travel needs of passengers as possible," said Peter Brooks,
    Timetable Development Manager


    Well isn't that comforting, every 40 years SW trains tries to get its
    timetable right. And since they never check, by any method, who wants to
    travel at what times and from which stations. I think their chances of
    having got it right now are Nil.

    They aren't even capable of making sure that the floor height on the trains
    matches the platfom heights.

    SW trains used to (probably still do) run trains which as they pulled out of
    Waterloo you would get a some massive impact from underneath the floor that
    was enough to jar your feet and would have had any car owner stopping
    immediately and phoning the AA recovery team to get their car round to
    garage for immediate remedial work, but if you attempted to report it any
    visible jobsworths would give it sloping shoulders.

    [1] I could never understand why it was always Connex that got the flack, I
    used both twice a day for 10 years and Connex provide a far better service
    than SW Trains ever did.
    Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004
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    sweller Guest

    Bollocks. The last *massive* timetable change on the Southern Region
    affecting all divisions - Central, Eastern and Western (now SWT) - was in
    1976. BR lead it in for months under the slogan of "All Change". You
    can imagine the letters from "I've been using the same train for 30 years
    and *they* change it" of Sutton.

    Since the mid eighties we've had two timetables one for Summer (starting
    in May) and one for Winter (starting in September) and recently the
    private companies (ever wondered why you could never make that
    connection?) have busily fucked about with the WTT and in the punitive
    contract running orders this has caused chaos.

    For example: Rather than signal an express (class 1) in front of a late
    running all stations (class 2) they'll allow the stopper to plod on in
    front otherwise Railtrack/Network rail have to compensate the stopping
    service owners. The now delayed express is compensated by the stopping
    service owners.

    Woo Hoo everyone's late. The punters hate the railway even more. Graet

    Apparently we're going back to proper class based train regulation....
    we wait with baited breath.

    As to the timetable change: the EU change, once a year, in December as
    BR used to. It just brings our timetables in line which makes
    international services a bit more lucid.

    It's not news.
    sweller, Dec 12, 2004
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    Mo Childs Guest

    Which is 38 years ago - near enough 40

    Why? It's the same bunch of commuters Winter and Summer that's what I meant
    about not making any attempt to find out what timetable is required instead
    they just whack on any old service. I understand that when Smith Klein
    opened their new head office at the Brentford stop it cost them a 6 figure
    sum to get SW Trains to stop a "fast" train there to pick up and deliver
    passengers, any other business would be trying to win customers but not the
    Shite old railway system. Public or privately owned.
    You're right everyone's late, and does it matter if they are on a fast train
    or a stopper to passengers - of course not, As a user of the slow service on
    SW trains I can guarantee that it just that s..l....o......w.
    Being picky - it's bated, otherwise I see no merit for travellers, one way
    or the other.
    And meanwhile I'm still on my bike.
    Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004
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    mb Guest

    On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:16:06 +0000, Mo Childs wrote:


    2004 - 1976= ?
    You're going to be kicking yourself in a minute.
    mb, Dec 12, 2004
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    Steve Parry Guest

    erm 28 years not 38

    Steve Parry



    K100RS SE
    (not forgetting the SK90PY)
    Steve Parry, Dec 12, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    You have completely discredited anything else you might say on the
    Ben Blaney, Dec 12, 2004
  7. Well sweller has corrected you on the dates. The timetable hasn't even
    run for one full day yet and already it is condemned by you as being
    useless. I'm sure the newspapers will full of "fury" and "angry
    commuters demanding answers" and the inevitable "the 17.17 to
    Basingstoke broke down on the first day of the new revolutionary
    timetable" headlines. All of which are the usual media bollocks. You
    won't get a headline in 3 months saying "the trains now run on time and
    95% of passengers are happy" headlines if the timetable turns out to be
    a success.

    Just for once someone has tried to do something sensible with the
    timetable and all we get is negativity. It'll never be perfect but the
    objectives of the changes seem perfectly sensible to me.

    The ATOC spokesman said on the telly this morning that consultation had
    gone on for two years - can you prove him a liar? And I think the train
    companies do know where more or fewer people are travelling from.
    Whether they are able to do much about such changes in the short term is
    the key question and the answer is no because so much of the timetable
    and associated resource is fixed. It takes time to train new drivers,
    buy new trains, resignal lines or do other works in order to put the
    right capacity in the right places.
    Network Rail issue to reconstruct the platforms - SWT's original long
    term bid included platform alterations and extensions and was turned
    down by the SRA (and therefore the government). There was an about turn
    over franchise lengths which meant the original 20 year proposal was cut
    back to 7 - madness in my view as how the hell does anyone get a return
    on substantive investment over 7 years?

    The train companies build trains to Group Standards - it is hardly their
    fault if the infrastructure is not built or modified to those standards
    now is it?
    Paul Corfield, Dec 12, 2004

  8. Oh dear, oh dear.
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 12, 2004
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    simonk Guest

    Mo Childs wrote
    I'm not complaining - we've now got four an hour in each direction, although
    I think the mystery Windsor and Eton bonus train has now been withdrawn. In
    fact, I'm so excited, I'm going to get the train to work tomorrow. And since
    you live north of the river, you've always got the option of the underground

    I don't mind the train in the morning, cos I can read the Telegraph on the
    way in. It's always much, much shitter in the evenings, though.
    simonk, Dec 12, 2004
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    Mo Childs Guest

    I knew I should have use my Toes as well as my Fingers. It's punishment for
    correcting other peoples English that's what it is.
    Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004
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    Mo Childs Guest

    Corrected the BBC actually, and my bumbling attempt at subtraction.
    As Sweller seems to imply the timetable has barely changed - at least on the
    route I would use for a daily commute.
    I used the railway system for over 15 years on a daily travel card. No
    railway company can tell from that where I wanted to go and when.
    They always want more time - improvements are always just about to happen.
    In other words they can't get the floor heights and platform heights the
    same - but that's what I said.
    I think I mentioned sloping shoulders?
    Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004
  12. So in other words you're right and I'm wrong despite offering an attempt
    at a lucid and appropriate explanation. Jolly good.
    Paul Corfield, Dec 12, 2004
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    Mo Childs Guest

    I'm sure you _are_ right, you provide an explanation for the current state
    of the railways. And I can't disagree, however having commuted by rail in
    London for far too many years, and having suffered at their hands during
    that time (along with many millions of other London commuters) I don't want
    an explanation I want it fixed. Or rather I would if I ever intended to use
    them again.
    Mo Childs, Dec 12, 2004
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Mo Childs was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

    Here - a couple of spare scissors:

    8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<
    Timo Geusch, Dec 12, 2004
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    Abso Guest

    I thought the pair of them were locked in an anti-snip battle to the
    Abso, Dec 12, 2004
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    Ferger Guest

    sweller secured a place in history by writing:
    WTF has Sutton done to deserve this nomination for 'Don't **** with our
    Daily mail reading status quo' supremacist status?
    Ferger, Dec 13, 2004
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    platypus Guest

    It's because of TOG and his inordinate number of letters to the Times.
    platypus, Dec 13, 2004
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