WRB Joy

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by VTR250, Nov 14, 2009.

  1. VTR250

    VTR250 Guest

    I hadn't heard about this before, but in 2007 Europe announced plans
    to include motorcycle testing into the EN 1317-2 longitudinal barrier
    testing matrix. EN 1317 does NOT include a test of a motorcyclist
    being bodily thrown onto the barrier. Why not? This really is the
    root cause of crash barriers being so dangerous to motorcyclists!
    They are not a consideration. When they are, the standards-compliant
    designs will become safer for us.

    Here is an interesting article I found when researching EN 1317, taken
    from the International Road Safety Federation blog... for the type of
    folk out there that like to read the papers.

    http://www.irfnews.org/files/pdfs/Clay-Gabler.pdf
     
    VTR250, Nov 14, 2009
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    Hammo Guest


    .....and that paper had what to do with WRBs?

    H
     
    Hammo, Nov 14, 2009
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  3. VTR250

    VTR250 Guest

    Good question. That paper doesn't have anything to do with WRB as
    such. It covers all roadside crash barriers, and all it does is
    contain another set of numbers showing they're horribly dangerous to
    motorcyclists. WRB is EN 1317 compliant, but the European safety
    standard only involves hitting the barriers with trucks. They didn't
    include motorcycles for some unknown reason. The announcement saying
    motorcycle testing is going to be added to EN 1317 is coincidental and
    reported on the blog I was reading when I saw the link to the paper.

    I should have said that, when the revised standards are signed off,
    and new standards-compliant barriers come out we can reaonably expect
    them to be safer for bikes.
     
    VTR250, Nov 15, 2009
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  4. In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:39:13 +1100
    Did they die of head injuries?

    If not, why would helmets matter?

    If they don't state what they died of, then why assume head injuries?

    Riders killed or injured by wire rope barriers tend to be hurt by
    slamming bits of body into the posts, not from head injuries. Why
    would guardrails be different?

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 15, 2009
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  5. VTR250

    Hammo Guest

    Hmmm, maybe, there was interestingly chosen data sets in the graphical
    representation of the accidents. Look closer at them.
    Possibly.....

    H
     
    Hammo, Nov 15, 2009
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  6. In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:43:22 +1100
    Why not?

    IF they don't mandate helmets they don't think that way.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 15, 2009
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  7. VTR250

    Hammo Guest

    How can you be so sure?

    H
     
    Hammo, Nov 15, 2009
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  8. VTR250

    hippo Guest

    With the clearances the RTA instals them to in NSW (especially on the
    Princes Hwy - 900mm from traffic in the centre of a 100Km/h road), the
    only way to make them safer AFAICS is to take a 9" angle grinder to all
    the posts at ground level. Cheers
     
    hippo, Nov 15, 2009
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  9. VTR250

    VTR250 Guest

    Yes. Interesting... the following was reported in the New York Times
    August 2008:

    According to the National Transportation Safety Board, in 1975, 47
    states required all motorcycle riders to wear helmets, but now only 20
    do.

    At the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the organization that
    conducts independent vehicle crash tests, Russ Rader, a spokesman,
    said “We are the only industrialized country in the world where there
    is an organized effort to weaken or repeal motorcycle helmet laws.
    That definitely is a factor in the increasing deaths.”

    !!
     
    VTR250, Nov 16, 2009
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