Wrong tyres on Yamaha?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Frank.Weaver, Nov 2, 2005.

  1. Frank.Weaver

    Frank.Weaver Guest

    A Polish friend of mine has recently bought a new Yamaha 125. Last
    week she had a bit of an accident, damaging her foot quite nastily but
    the bike seemed ok.
    She took the bike back to the shop she bought it from just to get it
    checked over.

    Anyway - the bike is ok but they told her that she had the wrong
    tyres on it!! And they sold it like that.

    Apparently they were synthetic and not rubber and didn't give much
    grip. Being Polish she didn't feel that she was able to argue it too
    well - but they never told her this when it was sold to her - and she
    wouldn't have bought it with tyres that weren't appropriate.

    Doesn't seem right that a bike could legally be sold like that.

    Any suggestions what she should do?

    Thanks
    Frank
     
    Frank.Weaver, Nov 2, 2005
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  2. Frank.Weaver

    BGN Guest

    Tyres only really have to grip as much as the law (should there be one
    in Poland) says they have to grip.
    Buy new tyres. Or ask the shop how much the tyres should cost. Ask
    Yamaha which tyres should be sold with her 125 in Poland, and compare
    it to the tyres that she has.
     
    BGN, Nov 2, 2005
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  3. Frank.Weaver

    Frank.Weaver Guest

    She's not in Poland she's in London.

    the point is that the shop sold her the bike knowing the tyres were
    wrong but never told her
     
    Frank.Weaver, Nov 2, 2005
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  4. Frank.Weaver

    BGN Guest

    If the bike was new, out of the box, I would suggest contacting Yamaha
    and asking which tyres should have been on there, and asking why she
    had different ones.

    When she bought the bike, was it sold 'as seen' without warranty?

    Did she check that the tyres were okay before she rode off in the
    morning?

    If I was in her position, I would ask them to replace the tyres free
    of charge. But that's just my point of view.
     
    BGN, Nov 2, 2005
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  5. Frank.Weaver

    WavyDavy Guest

    Suggestion #1 - wen answering, try to keep some of the post you are
    replyinmg to in the message too or, after a while it gets very complicated.
    Also post below the orginal text like wot I am doing and BGN did.
    Suggestion #2 - Most, if not all, modern tyres are synthetic these days,
    sothey'retrying techno-babble to confuse her/you
    Suggestion #3 - Like Nick said you should check that the tyres were the
    correct size/rating for the bike and are road-legal (if they're not they
    will say 'Not for Road Use' or similar on the sidewall)
    Suggestion #4 - Check with Yamaha uk to see what their opinion is of these
    tyres being fitted to said bike (i.e. are they standard or have the bike
    shop taken the standard tyres and slapped on a pair of £10 Cheng Shins to
    sell off the OE fitments separately)
    Suggestion #5 - Depending on the results of you investigations above,
    consider a stiffly worded letter to the shop and a conversation with Trading
    Standards and you freind's InsCos personal injury lawyers.

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Nov 2, 2005
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  6. Frank.Weaver

    dwb Guest

    Are they? I was under the impression that whilst my current set of
    Bridgestone's certainly have some extras in them, there is still a fair old
    bit of some sort of rubber in there.

    My understanding of synthetic is one's made of nylon - like you get on
    bicycles (and 125 motorcycles).
     
    dwb, Nov 2, 2005
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  7. Frank.Weaver

    WavyDavy Guest

    According to the Dunlop guys who were running the Ultimate Biker thingy me
    and Nidge were in, tyres don't contain 'rubber' anymore, they consist of
    'synthetic rubber'. Of course it's all in semantics, innit, but even if it
    looks, feels and smells like rubber it isn't 'cos it is made from oil and
    loads of chemical processes.

    So, like I said, I reckon the shop is stating this like it is some rare
    phenomenon when, in fact, what we call 'rubber' is a synthetic compound,
    just to sound superior and confuse the complainant.

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Nov 2, 2005
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  8. wrote
    Go see a brief and start adding up the money she is going to make when
    she sues the bollox off them for selling her unsafe goods knowing they
    was unsafe.
     
    steve auvache, Nov 2, 2005
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  9. Frank.Weaver

    TOG Guest


    Tell her to **** off and stop trying to pin the blame for her
    incompetence on others.

    Either that, or tell her to find an ambulance chasing lawyer.

    She's on a hiding to nothing. Lots of tyres use synthetic or
    part-synthetic rubber. Some tyres are better than others. Some are
    cheaper than others. Some grip better than others.....

    Sheesh.
     
    TOG, Nov 2, 2005
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  10. Frank.Weaver

    BGN Guest

    "I know I normally buy Michelin's, but as money is a bit tight this
    month I'll just have whatever's cheapest. After all, they all have to
    pass the same tyre gripping tests, don't they?" - Four days before
    'RIP Vauxhall Vectra' in unfortunate lack of traction issue.
     
    BGN, Nov 2, 2005
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  11. Frank.Weaver

    TOG Guest


    Almost certainly complete and utter bollocks.
     
    TOG, Nov 2, 2005
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  12. Frank.Weaver

    Buzby Guest

    Well that just proves there's some good in everything . . .
     
    Buzby, Nov 2, 2005
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  13. Frank.Weaver

    WavyDavy Guest

    But from the way he described the return visit to the shop it is possible
    that I would be very suss of their behaviour/comments with regard to the
    tyres.....

    The tyres in themselves may not be 'wrong' and she may have, as you so
    eloquently put it, just fallen off through inexperience, but why would the
    shop then start sucking through their teeth and muttering about 'wrong
    tyres'? I'd expect them to say "Must've been inexperience, miss, as there's
    nothing wrong with the bike we sold you. How's about we sort everything back
    to standard for just £ridiculous - look you can even have the work done on
    HP" or similar.....

    There would seem to be something wrong with their attitude if nothing else.

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Nov 2, 2005
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  14. Frank.Weaver

    Frank.Weaver Guest

    Why do you say that when you don't know the story. A van pulled out of
    a side road forcing her to lay the bike down. What would you do?

    If you buy something you don't expect to be told later by the vendor
    that you didn't buy the right thing in the first place. They're the
    experts.

    I asked on here as I thought there'd be a lot of information, knowledge
    and hopefully some helpful answers - that's what these forums are for.

    Tosser
     
    Frank.Weaver, Nov 2, 2005
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  15. Frank.Weaver

    BGN Guest

    Yes, I got a bike afterwards and have never looked back.
     
    BGN, Nov 2, 2005
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  16. Frank.Weaver

    Frank.Weaver Guest

    sorry - that last reply was intended for TOG@toil
    chateau.murray@btinternet­.com
     
    Frank.Weaver, Nov 2, 2005
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  17. Frank.Weaver

    TOG Guest

    Yes, agree utterly. Sounds like a crap shop to me, too, but "the wrong
    tyres" excuse, whoever it comes from is still almost certainly
    bollocks.

    I just get wound up when twonks prang through nobody's fault but their
    own, and immediately start looking for someone else to blame.
     
    TOG, Nov 2, 2005
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  18. Frank.Weaver

    WavyDavy Guest

    I think we'd all kind of guessed that....

    Now read the first line of my (first)reply again, eh? :)

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Nov 2, 2005
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  19. Frank.Weaver

    WavyDavy Guest

    I think Frank's getting wound up when people assume that she fell off on her
    own accord and start blaming his friend..... :)

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Nov 2, 2005
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  20. Not lay the bike down. Rubber's much more grippy than the sticky out
    bits of bikes.

    John
     
    John Greystrong, Nov 2, 2005
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