WTB: CBR/ZX6R or similar

Loud does not equal pleasant...

JL
(there's way too many Lancer's with 4" exhausts around to not know that)

 

OY !! I take that personally ! I did bloody not, I literally copy and
pasted it out of your posting of that date and time stamp (my news
reader keeps the last months of posts which I normally have hidden, but
I can go back to them by unhiding the read posts).

I may be a lot of things, but I don't deliberately misrepresent an argument.

Well, exactly, there 's about the same difference. Aren't we now saying
the same thing ? That there have been significant changes in the end
product even though superficially the bike looks the same.

(I assume you didnt mean the FZR1000 was the same did you ? They're
utterly different in the way they ride and feel - the large differences
in weight, geometry, HP, brakes, layout, configuration. Superficially
the same, in practise utterly different. Same as the early Trumpy and
your 30 yr newer bike)

Umm OK, so character doesn't exist unless it's rare. Colour me baffled.
So what you really mean is you want to be unusual, different (it
wouldn't matter what you rode Clem, you're safe there - the Hawaiian
shirts alone guarantee it).

<shrug> You're changing the argument again from the original line mate.
But that's fine, I can cope with, "I'm not interested in them, I want to
be an non conforming individual" (you really want a Guzzi you do). But
while you're struggling hard to ignore it, the simple fact is there is
obvious differences between a UJM 4cyl like the XJ (and the Bandit btw)
and a 600SS, they may have the same number of cylinders but they are
quite different. Same as the Daytona and the Rocket 3 are undoubtably
very different despite both being triples (assumption here, I've not
ridden one yet)

But again, this isn't about whether you should buy one (I don't reckon
you should), it's about whether an 80's UJM = a 00's 600 supersport to
all practical intents and purposes. A proposition that is, to me,
ludicrous.

And continued to ride one from what 98- 2004 ? How long did you have the
XJ again ? If you hated UJMs that much surely there must have been
something else out there in the same price bracket ?

Anyway, again, it's not about whether you like or dislike a UJM, it's
about whether you can say "I know everything I need to know about modern
(00's) 600s because I've ridden 80's era Japanese 4 cylinders.

Absolutely, and it's a good thing. I like diversity, I think it's great,
and if I had the dollars I'd have about 40 different bikes in the garage.


JL

 

I've seen a reasonable number, probably about the same # as the
Japly-Davidsons (cute , given they're trying to gain market share
they've not had much of, and given the horrid price point (30K plus
plus), they're selling OK, not hotcakes, but OK. They'll sell more when
they release the one that was on the cover of AMCN the other week.

JL

 

No he didn't say "unridable" he said the stuff in the quotes (no, not the
quoutes around ""unridable'" but the OTHER quoted stuff)
Ophahucksake, just read it yourself: http://evilurl.com/DONGCUNTsmegma
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Yeah four manufacturers making two or three models each year (and their
top-selling models) for 20 or 35 years straight all with those same
endearing "niche characteristics"....
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I think it make perfect sense for me to say that I find the concept boring
and bland as a bland thing painted beige.
If you are going to insist on claiming that I'm saying all these derogatory
things I'm going to have to ask you to paste DIRECT QUOTE ONLY if you wish
to refer to something you think I have said. Thank you.
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Quote please.

What this is actually about is Richard Fay saying "sv650 = yawn" and
G-S responding " it's the CBR/ZX6R/GSXR/R6 that are lacking in originality
and suffer from that inline 4 blandness"
and then me saying "Faark; the Japs have been making 4cyl UMs for 35 years
and while they were
probably exciting in 1970 most of us are well-and truly over them in 2005!"
and "I always pick the
interesting lumpy-engined 60hp bike over the bland(snip) 120/140/160/180hp
bike."

Please stop making up bullshit about what I've said.

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Well; no.. I wouldn't want to own one PERIOD, but that would just be
non-reason to buy one.

You're obviously not going to see my point on this whole
have-fun-at-a-slower-speed thing.
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And more made up crap about me "dissing" them.
They're boring to look at and listen to, common as dog's balls and I
wouldn't chose one in a fit (unless I was wanting to race someone) but I'm
not saying that there's anything bad about them.

White bread is very popular.
So is McDonalds, Coca-Cola, soft-serve "ice-cream", Toyota, Bourbon and
Playstation.
The fact that I couldn't give a flying **** about any of these things and
wouldn't be seen dead near them doesn't seem to upset anybody.. Why it is
that me feeling the same way about UJMs has got your knockers in such a
twist?
Clem

 

Well, for one thing, one of them exists, while the other doesn't (the
FZR1000 didn't come out until 1987).

And if you can take a pair of bikes, one of which contains some 40kg
(or, quite literally, 20%) more metal than the other, and put out a
challenge like, "Show me what's so different between them, 'cause I sure
as shit can't see it", then you're really just making a conscious effort
to make a display of how well you can keep your mind closed.

But weren't sports inline fours boring because they all sound the same
and ride the same (something you're 100% certain of because you've never
ridden one)? Now you're saying they're to be shunned because they make
such a high proportion of the bikes out there.

Which is it? If the latter, how can it be the bikes' fault?

 

Have already pasted it in (and which you claim to be misquoted despite
it being a cut and paste of what appeared on my server).

If that's how you feel about what I thought was a relatively pleasant
and jocular discussion I'm shutting up now. See ya 'round sometime.
...snip

I really really disappointed you feel that way.

Not in a twist in any way.

JL
I give up.. aus.moto used to be a place you could have a difference of
opinion and kick it around. If Clem of all people can't have a
discussion I guess it's time I moved on. See ya peoples it's been fun.
I'll post when I'm going for a ride, and that'll be it.

 

Usually while attempting to operate the indicators...

Postman Pat

 

*Looks around BMW rally at various Transalps,Africa
Twins,CB1100R,CBX1000,Z1300,TDMs,MZ Skorpion,Cagiva Elefant,Guzzi
Breva,VStrom,DR650s,KTM640/950s,VFR800s,CBR1000F,TTR250,WR250/400/450,etc*

Postman Pat (Choosing to ignore everything else JL posted---okay,there *may*
have been some BMWs there as well...)

 

*Swings leg back in preparation for delivering Argyle-patterned Dunlop
Volley up Clem's backside*

Postman Pat

 

Arsecheeks wobbling in the breeze doesn't count as "hanging off",Clem...

Postman Pat

 

Boxer twins---that's *so* eighty years ago...

Postman Pat

 

Wow: I bet the new Corolla is 20% something-or-other-ier than the one 10
(oops 8) years ago too.
(and I'm always seeing 20% in big letters on chocolate bars, and coke
containers too).
The Fatboy probably has 20% more chrome finning than the Dyna-Glide too:
Big whoop! (But I'm sure it makes a difference in racing).
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There's no fault. It's not Dulux's fault that all the weatherboard houses
up my way got painted baby-shit-yellow but **** it's bland and boring to be
around.
It's not Paris Hilton's fault that all the silly girls gNat's age idolise
her and want to be dumb sluts too; but it very tiresome to see it over and
over again.
It's not Channel 9's fault that my wife watches nothing but home-renovation
ham-comedy TV but **** it's bland and boring to me!
Good luck to Yamahonwasakuki for selling you people new bikes every two
years and populating the roads with wobbly boy-racers but the product is
bland and boring to me.

I remember the look I used to see on the faces of the 30-40yo riders when
18yo me used to wax lyrical on how amazingly fantastic the Jap strokers
were in the 70s (just before they'd get up from the table and wander off to
talk to someone else).
Maybe I should go hunt them up and apologise......

All I can say is after 30-odd years of "living" motorbikes it takes a bit
to get me interested (and "5% less rotating mass on the torque-limiting
slipper-clutch" or "controlled-flex vacuum-formed alloy frame" just doesn't
raise the old mainsail!)
As Geoff said at the start: "You will probably realise that after 20 years
of riding or so... " too.
Clem

 

*applause*

-----sharks

 

Well [taps impatiently] where did the "Jap 4s havent changed since the late
70's and they're as boring as batshit" quote above come from then?
I~

Rubbish!
If you listed the component descriptions of a 50's Trump and a 90's Trump
or BM (not sure which bike you're referring to) you'd probably get a match
on about 10% (thinks like "cogs" and "wheels").
If you did the same with the FZR and R1 you'd be flat out finding 10%
unmatched!
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Do you understand what "bland and boring" means John? I'll give you a
hint: it's kinda' the opposite different or unusual.
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Do you mean the original "I'd rather a SV650 than a bland GSXR1ZXR600" or
are you referring to your made up original "all Jap bikes are shit and the
factories should be burned"?

Me too. (I can't imagine why you even thought you could attribute such a
stupid statement to me!! I bet you feel stupid new eh?)
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Is it? I thought it was simply about whether I disagreed with Richard
Fay's "SV650=bland" or with Geoff's "it's the CBR/ZX6R/GSXR/R6 that.....
suffer from that inline 4 blandness".
I suppose if you can reinvent what people have said you can re-write the
parameters of what the the discussion was about too, eh John?
Clem

 

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No it's realising that boyish enthusiasm will never counter genuine
disinterest.
(And whether something is 10% lashier, 3 kilos less unsprung brake-lines
and 4hp taller on the torque-curve-overrun doesn't really interest someone
who just thinking about whether his arse hurts and whether he should get
new hand-grip rubbers before the next ride....)
Clem

 

Apologise for what? Having the nerve to maintain enthusiasm in the face
of jaded cynicism worn like a badge of honour?

Shooting someone down with manufactured disinterest is not something you
grow into; it's a schoolyard tactic you're supposed to grow out of.

 

Not half as dissapointed as I am to keep seeing bullshit quotes about how I
claim that UJMs are unchanged in 30 years and how 600s are shit.
You can put up some ACTUAL QUOTES or shut up. I see that you've elected to
take option b.
Clem

 

[shakes head in wordless awe]
Clem

 

I'd laugh at that, twice, except that I have that Zebee bloke
in my killfile.[1]

G

[1] you had to be there.
[2] Karuah I mean.

 

Pound for pound it's about equivalent to JL getting his knee down!!
Clem