WTB: CBR/ZX6R or similar

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Uncle Bully, Feb 13, 2005.

  1. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    X-No-archive: yes
    [reads message a fourth time looking for the trap]
    [ventures forth timidly]
    Errmmm.... ride.. bike.. to..Phillip Island and buy a ticket? (Unless
    you've pre-booked in advance beforehand)
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #81
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  2. Uncle Bully

    sharkey Guest

    No, no, I mean the _other_ bits of the plan. The beer-and-bad-jokes
    type bits. I'm not really into racing for the racing, you know.

    -----sharks
     
    sharkey, Feb 18, 2005
    #82
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  3. Uncle Bully

    sharkey Guest

    I thought Goldwings would have a motor to do that :)

    -----sharks
     
    sharkey, Feb 18, 2005
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  4. Uncle Bully

    John Littler Guest

    Whaddaya mean ? They've been selling reasonably well.

    It's the first HD I'd consider buying, if they'd reduce that stupid rake
    to something real I might even get serious enough to consider calling
    the bank manager

    JL
     
    John Littler, Feb 18, 2005
    #84
  5. I'll give you $3.50 and the usual for it ;-)

    big
     
    Iain Chalmers, Feb 18, 2005
    #85
  6. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Knobdoodle wrote: (about "boring")
    ~
    OK OK; I was wrong.... I'm sorry.
    Clem
    (I'm gonna' be haunted by these visions of R65 owners rising zombie-like
    and advancing chanting "R65s are goooood... Come joinnnn ussss.....")
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #86
  7. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    [looks left then right]
    [writes very softly]
    Don't tell anyone but I found the little GPX to be quite grin-inducing to
    ride....
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #87
  8. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Hang on; have you ever bought anything BUT the latest-greatest Jap
    sportster?
    Maybe you just need to be enlightened!
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #88
  9. In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:51:27 +1100
    Appearances to the contrary, I ain't got any of the usual. So whose
    nutz get kicked then?

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Feb 18, 2005
    #89
  10. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Eh? You've described GENUINE trial-and-error improvement haven't you?
    (I.e. changes you can actually discern instead of only read about)
    ~
    Wow; "newer engineering". THERE's a reason to upgrade if ever I saw one!
    ~
    Are you really trying to tell me that there's more profit to be made by
    selling customers a new bike every 8 years instead of every 2 years?
    ~
    Wow. If I was the kind of feller who thought "newer engineering" was
    important I'd probably be impressed with that.....
    What was wrong with the old brakes by the way?
    ~
    Wow [very impressed look].
    ~
    I've never ridden one so I can hardly say I don't like them... although,
    like anal-intercourse and fish ice-cream I can assemble enough info to
    formulate an opinion and my opinion is "bland and uninteresting".
    ~
    Irrelevant certainly! (Or can you expand on oval thottle-bodies, radial
    callipers, vacuum-formed alloy whatsits and why on-earth anyone outside of
    a Supersport team would ever give a rat's-arse about them except for
    bench-racing sessions at the local cafe?)
    ~
    Well if the music was just the same stuff I've been bombarded with for the
    last 20 years (but with new added bits that I can't even hear and have to
    be told about) then I'd probably feel it was pretty irrelevant too!
    (Thankfully TripleJ mostly keeps me interested although that's largely
    restricted to Jay-and-the-Doctor at the mo as Mel, Myf & Rosie give me the
    shits and Chris and Craig have lost their way).
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
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  11. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Well; we don't generally plan those bits.....
    Clem
    (I'm riding down with Leon and hopefully picking up Pisshead on the way
    through.
    Bludge of BT Humble on Wednesday and then my brother at Warburton on
    Thursday night hitting the track on Friday morning.
    Fill the esky and erect [tee hee] the tent on Friday night and settle in to
    whinge about how wet and cold it is.
    Pack up Sunday morning and ride home... (Or maybe ride over to Adelaide
    via the GOR))
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
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  12. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Have they? I got the opinion they were a sales disaster.... (Didn't
    appeal to existing HD customers and failed to attract new customers)
    It wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though....
    Clem
    (Maybe if they put the engine into a Buell chassis....)
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #92
  13. Uncle Bully

    Toosmoky Guest

    They're attracting the new customers, no problem. Older HD owners prefer the
    simplicity that comes with the older engines. That's why we like Harleys.
    Can't see a point of all the complexity of a Japper when you're still just
    getting a Harley anyway.

    They do go though, Wacker's apparently are pulling 10s over the quarter with
    nothing more than new pipes...and they're built to be bombed and
    thrashed...and they're not half bad looking if you put spoked rims on 'em
    and throw away the poncy stock pipes and fit a nice set of drag-style
    shotgun pipes. (with internal baffles of course...)

    And drag bars. (handlebars)
    You're not wrong there, Clem...
    *Someone will* <glances at watch> soon...
     
    Toosmoky, Feb 18, 2005
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  14. Uncle Bully

    IK Guest

    No, I've described the way things used to be back
    If that means the bike will be perceptibly
    Well, for one thing, Scum is hardly alone in having gone through three
    identical ST Sprints.

    For another, the crown-snatching at play in sportsbike world isn't done
    to convince people to chop in the bike they bought last year, but to
    sway people who are updating after a few years.
    The improvements in performance, reliability and what will you have to
    come from somewhere. Looked at from one model update to the next, the
    individual changes don't amount to much. Over a span of 5 or 6 years,
    the developments become significant. Over the space of a decade, the
    experience offered by the bike changes completely.

    At some point, you have to ask, "How come the new bike turns so much
    more easily, holds a line so much better, pulls so much harder through
    the midrange etc... than the old one?". The answer to that is in all
    these arcane, incremental improvements.

    If everyone bought the cynical "character" bullshit peddled by
    manufacturers who can't hack it in the research lab, we wouldn't've
    progressed beyond the double-cradle steel tube frames and
    breathless-up-top engines from the time when opinions like "All UJM's
    are the same" were only a few years old.

    If you've never ridden one of these objects of your disdain, how exactly
    do you know what they vibe like, or even what sort of power they make,
    so you can dislike them?

    Again, when I say "Yeah, there's a place for them in the motorcyling
    spectrum for BMW's and Triumphs and overpriced Italian twins", I say
    that after having ridden at least a couple of each of them, and a couple
    of the UJM's which you can't seem to see past.

    I can see where you're coming from, and I can see where you're going wrong.
    But it's still either guitar, bass, drums and vocals, the way it's been
    for the past 50 years, or beats and vocals, the way it's been for the
    past 30 years. Haven't those formulae gotten "stale" by now? If not, why
    not?
     
    IK, Feb 18, 2005
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  15. Uncle Bully

    sharkey Guest

    Aha! It's spot the coded message time:
    Were you erect[tee hee]ing your tent at the track or at the
    cowes[tee hee] caravan park or some other place?

    -----sharks pulling teeth.
     
    sharkey, Feb 18, 2005
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  16. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Cowes caravan-park for me (site 116).
    Naturally you're welcome to share my grass (mud?).

    I hear there may also be a bed at a real live house available down there
    too.......
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
    #96
  17. Uncle Bully

    sharkey Guest

    The thought of you riding a GPX has me grinning too.

    -----sharks (stick to GSes, mate, they suit you ...)
     
    sharkey, Feb 18, 2005
    #97
  18. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    [looks for the rest of the sentence]
    .... back when there was something to be actually gained from regular
    superceding?
    [looks again]
    ....perceptibly "more fashionable"?
    ~
    Eh? People steal/crash Triumphs more than Jappers?
    Is that because they have old-fashioned frames?
    ~
    Yep sure it is.
    And the evidence is.......?
    ~
    Does it? It still looks like a bland wiz-bang boy-racer toy to me (same as
    last years and last decade's model).
    Which part of the "experience" has changed for you?
    ~
    Or you could just say "who gives a rat's unless you're racing Supersport?"
    I didn't realise the 10yo one so unmanageable that it needed all this
    work.....
    ~
    Like Harley Davidson? The company the Japs are still trying to properly
    copy after 25 years?

    There was a heap of them at Karuah last weekend but I didn't see too many
    wiz-bang boy-racer bikes.... (Probably all at the cafe comparing their
    exciting new engineering eh?)~
    ~
    They don't vibe do they? I thought that was the point!
    ~
    Funny; I CAN'T see what you find even vaguely interesting about Jap UJMs.
    If you can see where I'm going wrong then steer me right. Tell me what's
    exciting!
    They all look shithouse with silly stripes, flashes and swatches of colour.
    (And you can't paint 'em plain colours 'cause they'll all look alike)
    They sound as boring as batshit.
    No-one ever seems to ride them further than 100km without stopping and
    getting off so they must be uncomfortable.
    Is it just the whole 'I'm riding newer engineering" thingo that's the
    drawcard or is it the one track-day every 6 months that makes the rest of
    the chore seem worthwhile?
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
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  19. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Yeah but WOULD you?
    I wouldn't. (And I don't know anyone who ever said "What I want is a
    Harley with a liquid-cooled DOHC engine")
    If I was gonna' buy a Harley I'd buy a Fatboy or Road King or somesuch.
    If I wanted a liquid-cooled DOHC bike I'd buy a Ducati, VTR, SV1000 or the
    like.

    Sure lots of people think they're a great step forward but those people are
    not the "market".
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
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  20. Uncle Bully

    Knobdoodle Guest

    I was just thinking about this and I realised that I've never seen a Harley
    "special" with a non-Harley(derived) engine.
    If people really wanted a more powerful Harley how come no-one's ever built
    one?
    Surely a 916 engine could fit in there with room to spare and you could
    take your pick from the plethora of Jap hi-performance donks but no-one is
    interested.
    (And yet they'll spend squillions extracting 90hp out of a pukka Harley
    donk.....)
    Funny eh?
    Clem
    ~
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 18, 2005
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