WTF do they teach in the CBT?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Zobo Kolonie, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. Zobo Kolonie

    Zobo Kolonie Guest

    I've got a bit of a gripe... perhaps some of the more experienced
    riders herein who know younger riders could pass it on, I like to
    think that it might help.

    I don't know what they teach in the CBT, it wasn't around when I used
    to ride bikes so I've never taken it. Surely though they must teach
    the kids / new riders that "deftly nipping up the inside through a
    narrow gap between a car and the kerb in moving urban traffic" is
    rather dangerous?

    On numerous occassions I've had these little scooter things that seem
    to be all the rage whizz by me on the passenger side of my car, this
    in for instance moving traffic along the South / North Circular
    between Kew Bridge and the Chiswick Roundabout (just one example). FFS
    there are a couple of left turns along there, drivers of all kinds of
    vehicles are jostling for position and bad / mistaken lane choices are
    a frequent occurence. IMO it's also true that the driver of a car or
    larger vehicle is less likely to properly check their mirrors when
    pulling off to the left from the left hand lane (yes I know it's wrong
    and they shouldn't do it but I'll bet that happens lots of times).

    Whilst I doubt for a second that we are the perfect gentleman car
    drivers I do believe that I and others like me (i.e. those that have
    ridden motorcycles) take an extra bit of care and are more "motorcycle
    aware" (for want of a better term) than those who have never ridden
    motorcycles. But these scooter drivers, and all motorcyclists really,
    though the scooterists seem to be the worst offenders, must IMO
    understand that nipping through like that up the inside in moving
    traffic is dangerous.

    £0.02

    ZK - probably sounds like a right old codger now :)
     
    Zobo Kolonie, Nov 23, 2003
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  2. Zobo Kolonie wrote
    CBT is a couple of hours of basic handling skills, nothing else.

    Although to be fair to it, it has, apparently, reduced the number of
    accidents happening in a new rider's first few days on the roads. Which
    can only be A Good Thing.

    It is called "Making Progress" and yes it is.

    If you want to know more about the CBT and all the other test and
    regulations then I suggest a read of the ukrm ffaq. Dead useful it is.
    There is a link to it in the .sig of many of the regular posters round
    here.
     
    steve auvache, Nov 23, 2003
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  3. Zobo Kolonie came forth with the following in uk.rec.motorcycles
    They have obviously read and taken in the 'Theory Test Questions for
    Motorcyclists' published by BSM

    Question 1.23
    Why can it be helpful to have mirrors fitted on each side of your
    motorcycle?

    a) To judge the gap when filtering in traffic

    --

    Mark
    ZX12R-B1 (Blue)
    CG125 (hers)
    BOTSWCAW#3
     
    Mark Derbyshire, Nov 23, 2003
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  4. Zobo Kolonie

    deadmail Guest

    (Zobo Kolonie) wrote:

    I don't doubt that most people realise it's dangerous. I would expect
    for most it's a measured risk with the degree of risk being appreciated
    properly by only a subset of the riders.
     
    deadmail, Nov 23, 2003
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    Big Tony Guest

    Why don't you take one and find out?
    My advice to you would be to make sure your driving is impecable always use
    the mirror and signal before making a manouvre and the chances of hitting
    Scooterboy will be much reduced whether Scooterboy is riding IAM style or
    like a ****.

    IME a lot of filtering accidents occur because a driver sees a gap then
    changes lanes without checking mirrors and without sigalling or leaving the
    signal until after the manouvre has commenced. It maybe the case that in the
    time taken to use the correct mirror-signal-manouvre procedure, the gap
    dissappears. Accepting this fact is a sign of discipline and of a good
    driver.
     
    Big Tony, Nov 23, 2003
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    Ben Guest

    The rider is 16.

    No matter what they get taught in the CBT, they're going to ignore it.
     
    Ben, Nov 23, 2003
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  7. Zobo Kolonie

    Alan.T.Gower Guest



    No it's not.

    HTH.

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    Alan.T.Gower, Nov 23, 2003
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  8. Zobo Kolonie

    Alan.T.Gower Guest


    *Ding*
    --
    Alan

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    Alan.T.Gower, Nov 23, 2003
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  9. Zobo Kolonie

    Alan.T.Gower Guest

    Intorduced in1990 in a bid to reduce the high number of accidents
    amongst new riders. It achieve a 43% reduction in the first year.

    You cannot teach common sense.

    I agree, some of these scooter boys are down right dangerous. It's not
    the fault of the CBT though.

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    Alan

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    Alan.T.Gower, Nov 23, 2003
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  10. Alan.T.Gower wrote
    So what else is it then?
     
    steve auvache, Nov 23, 2003
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  11. steve auvache said:
    It's about 3 or so hours off road, full intro to the controls and
    practical errr practise, then at least 2 hours on the road. It covers
    road safety, positioning, signalling, equipment and much more.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Nov 23, 2003
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  12. Simon Atkinson wrote
    And this is supposed to be in some way /more/ than basic handling
    skills?

    It is basic handling skills, nothing else.
     
    steve auvache, Nov 23, 2003
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  13. steve auvache said:
    It is only intended to be basic training - but it's a wider syllabus
    than just handling skills - it includes lots of other things (daiy
    maintenance checks, the legal requirements for riding on the road,
    responding to other road users etc etc.).
     
    Simon Atkinson, Nov 23, 2003
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  14. Zobo Kolonie

    Zobo Kolonie Guest

    Sorry, the rationale behind the post wasn't really to have a go at the
    CBT, well remembering myself and various friends wobbling around like
    a bunch of wallies on our first little fizzies or whatever I think
    it's a good idea to show people how to control their vehicles before
    letting them out onto the roads with them. I suppose that I assumed
    the CBT was more than it apparently is, and was moaning about some
    seriously life-threatening riding that I've seen lately, mostly
    (exclusively I think) from the L plate toting scooterists. Most
    likely it won't hurt me one little bit if they plough into the rear
    quarter of my box on wheels but I'd rather that we never found out eh?

    Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. However, I did rather hope that
    maybe the same advice could be passed on to the new rider scooterists
    who seem to be plaguing us with their death-defying antics lately. The
    onus is upon us all to drive well after all.
    Again, we are in agreement. Infact I wonder if the over-the-shoulder
    look shouldn't be taught for more than just roundabout use as part of
    the car driving test? I don't recall my instructor teaching me to use
    it other than for maneuvering between lanes or exits on roundabouts
    though I may have forgotten exactly what he said now. However,
    personally I find that a quick check over the right or left shoulder
    as appropriate when maneuvering in traffic is very useful, in addition
    to checking one's mirrors that is. No doubt somebody wiser and more
    experienced that me will pop up now and tell me that I've been doing
    it wrong all these years, that the over-the-shoulder look is dangerous
    when driving a car. Ho well.

    I know that when driving one has to "expect the unexpected" (how
    stupid a phrase is that?) but I must admit that I do rather expect in
    moving traffic to find motorcycles filtering along the outside, up the
    biker's lane, three feet either side of the white line as it were.
    Whizzing up the inside between moving traffic and the kerb just seems
    ludicrous to me... in stationary traffic I just about understand it,
    though I believe it should be approached with *extreme* caution. And
    yes I well remember getting bollucked for inside filtering by grown up
    motorists when I was a teenie.

    Damn, does that mean I've grown up now? Noooooooooooooooooo, anything
    but that! :)

    ZK
     
    Zobo Kolonie, Nov 24, 2003
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  15. Zobo Kolonie wrote
    They are called "fucking lifesavers" and not enough attention is given
    to them by some trainers, it seems.
     
    steve auvache, Nov 24, 2003
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    Alan.T.Gower Guest


    *takes notes*

    Err yes what he said.

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    GHPOTHUF#27
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    DFWAG#2, DS#2, DIAABTCOD#20. remove "thisbit" in the reply
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    "Nemo repente fuit turpissimus"
     
    Alan.T.Gower, Nov 24, 2003
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  17. Zobo Kolonie

    Alan.T.Gower Guest


    Yes Sir.

    You wouldn't believe how strict the DSA have got with instructors.

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    Alan

    http://www.ads-training.co.uk
    "Kneesliders Sponsored by Cane"
    GSX-R1000 , Triumph Thunderbird, ZXR750L2 Racer(gone), GS500,
    GHPOTHUF#27
    TGF, UKRMFBC#7, Two#24, BOTAFOF#11, YTC#9, GYASB#1. SbS#23.
    DFWAG#2, DS#2, DIAABTCOD#20. remove "thisbit" in the reply
    http://sportsbike.org (our own endurance team) http://Team-ukrm.com
    "Nemo repente fuit turpissimus"
     
    Alan.T.Gower, Nov 24, 2003
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  18. Alan.T.Gower said:
    Gissa job Mister.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Nov 24, 2003
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  19. Alan.T.Gower said:
    About time too. I took great pride in what I did, but a lot of schools
    just want(ed) to pump them through regardless.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Nov 24, 2003
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    Robin Guest

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    Robin, Dec 28, 2003
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