WTF?

Sheesh, I take my shattered self away for a week of rest, relaxation and
renewal, with minimal internet access and zero usenet, and this place
explodes! What a fascinating thing to come home to!

I spent over an hour last night reading the ANZAC flame war and wanting to
respond in anger to so many posts, and holding my breath and refusing to buy
into any of it.

But **** it, I can't help myself... (Dammit, betty, will you never learn?)

-The timing of newbie ShyBiker's appearance in this group - and his(?)
attempts to strike a dominant pose in a place he has never been (well, not
as long as I've been here, anyway, and that's over 5 years now) strike me as
highly suss. WhoTF is this ShyBiker , WhereTF has he come from and WhyTF has
he appeared now, with his first post to this motorcycle group about ANZAC
Day, and totally non-motorcycle related? Odd? I think so.

-The unholy and instant alliance between GWF and the aforementioned ShyBiker
also strikes me as highly suss. And, slightly later, WTF77.... a
coincidence?

-The Gerry-baiting - particularly at this time of the year - strikes me as
premeditated and somewhat bloody cruel. I know Gerry is perfectly capable of
holding his own in a usenet row, and gives as good as he gets. This is not a
side-taking post. It's a WTF post.

-I do, however, wholeheartedly agree that any veteran of any armed conflict
has every right to be pissed off by any suspected impostor's claims to
veteran status and repeated refusals to provide evidence of their veteran
status to fellow veterans.

And now, as I can feel myself becoming angrier and angrier about so much of
the shite in the ANZAC thread/s, I will take myself away from the keyboard
before I say anything I might regret.

betty, fine after a week in the magical atmosphere of Mallacoota :-D

 

"bikerbetty" wrote

Where the hell is Mallacoota? And what is there?

I was in the cadets at school but I'll be in the ANZAC Parade
tomorrow, driving my Dad's 1942 Ford Jeep, because he's 97 next month
and can't see for shit.
He wasn't in the army either but I think spending five years in a
German occupied country probably qualifies him. That, and being
invited by the RSL to bring his car along.

Theo

 

Well put.

I've been avoiding buying in, but your thoughts are pertinent. WTF77 is
being particularly malodorous, and GWF, is well, GWF. I've plonked SB and
presumably he'll toddle off once he stops getting the attention he
apparently desires.

All very unpleasant. Gerry is probably his own worst enemy by letting
them rile him. I've otherwise been quietly nodding in agreement to
Gerry's posts.

 

I can't tell you - I don't want to share it, ha ha! It's in Victoria. I go
there once or twice a year for some much-needed equilibration... ;-)

Theo, I think that ppl march on ANZAC Day for many very valid personal
reasons, and I reckon your Dad's reason is every bit as valid as anybody
else's - but those reasons are often subsumed by the wider "sacrifice &
glory" propaganda that is spouted in much of the mainstream media. It
becomes a self-fuelling juggernaut, and people begin to think that's the
only reason that other ppl march. In the wider public view, people are seen
to be marching under the umbrella of nationalism, sacrifice, glory... That
is not the fault of the marchers - it's the fault of the media and the
power-brokers who shape the media's view - those who have a vested interest
in pushing that particular view.

My own relationship with ANZAC Day is quite fraught, and long pre-dates my
experience with the media-view of ANZAC Day. While I value, very highly, the
personal courage of individual servicemen and women, and respect the close
bonds that must've been forged in times of incredible hardship that I will
never be able to understand, the umbrella of war and nationalism that
spawned those experiences and relationships is still abhorrent to me. I also
found, as a young girl, the drunken ANZAC Day behaviour of so many Diggers,
quite terrifying.

Meh. That's my experience. To me it's valid. I have close friends and family
who served in WW2. Who am I to question the validity of their experience,
and the way they choose to remember it, even if I don't like it? There are
364 other days in every year...

I hope you have a lovely day tomorrow, Theo, driving your dad's Jeep. Good
on you - I bet your dad will be as proud of you as you are of him.

Now..... about motorbikes.....

betty

 

G'day bikerbetty, pleased to hear you find it fascinating, mate, so do I.

Half your luck, mate, that's the way to treat trolls.

Buggar me betty, that didn't last long.

betty, I don't want to sound like a net cop, I'll leave that up to Gerry the
liar, but please get you facts right, mate. The ANZAC post was my second.

Where have I come from you ask? Well, according to Gerry the liar, he
dragged me in here like a piece of dog shit stuck to the bottom of his
boots. But you know what he's like, he tells all those lies and it is
difficult to know when he is telling the truth. In fact he can't even lie
straight in bed.

Oh, I don't ride bikes, them things are dangerous, like this poor sod found
out.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/tulsacrash.asp

I've had to use Snopes here, because all the other sites that feature this
accident say the the biker survived, he didn't.

I like those two, so what?

Bloody cruel........What!.......to Gerry the liar? Strewth!

You're beginning to sound like Gerry the liar, now betty! Please tell us
all, why should George reveal his past military service, which could lead to
his real ID being exposed, on a World wide forum?

Nice to have met you, betty, hooroo for now.

 

What-da-you-know, are you sure Gerry the liar wont mind you attending the
ANZAC parade, mate. You know, glorifying war and all that shit!

You go along Theo, me old mate, enjoy yourself, and never mind what that
wuss Gerry the liar thinks of you.

 

Snipped

G'day, Bill, sorry to hear that you have plonked ShyBiker, he was looking
forward to having a chin wag with you, mate. So, he's sent his mate,
Saddlesore, instead. By all means plonk him as well; if ShyBiker
wants to have another chin wag with you later, he will appear as someone
else, if you get my drift.

Yes its all a bit unpleasant, Bill. Perhaps Gerry the liar will be able to
sort it all out, he should know how to deal with trolls. Apparently he had
to fly over to that airplanes group, and stop everybody posting stuff about
wars, parades, Americans, and any other stuff he didn't agree with. Yes, I'm
sure his nibs will sort out all these trolls that have descended into our
nice friendly newsgroup.

See you around, mate.

 

Since the handling of arms is a beautiful spectacle, it is delightful to
young men.

 

I thought this was just accepted without mention. ;-)

Its what they do in the other group as well. Should have seen what
Gerry/Walt got up to with his CARPET BOMBING approach at
communication/education. He is so wise and clever!

:-|

Read the next paragraph again...

So every veteran must provide evidence of their veterans status on
demand regardless of the enviroment or what tosser happens to be asking
at the time so long as they are also a veteran!

But what if GWF IS a veteran?

How would you feel about Gerry's communication skills then? Timing?

To ME it is irrelevant if GWF served. That was decades past.
Gerry's attacks are in the present.

 

In a really old episode of the "proper" Dr.Who, the Doctor is having
trouble renewing into a new body, so decides to go into the Zero Room.

He explains that inside the Zero Room, nothing at all happens, even time
stands still, and his Ozzie air hostie companion, Megan, says:-
"Ah, sort of like Brisbane?"

Has Mallacoota taken over from Brisbane?

regards,
CrazyCam (who also wonders WTF has happened)

 

No, that's not what I said. Read it again. I'm talking about a veteran's
right to be pissed off if he suspects someone is masquerading as a veteran
of a war in which he did not serve. Something like that is a slap in the
face to everybody who DID serve in that conflict, and I think it's perfectly
understandable for a real veteran to question a suspected impostor's
credentials in that case. What happens after that - the "no, I don't have
to, nyah nyah" is just red-ragging.

I would wonder why he is being so obtuse. And why he splashes Gerry's record
of service across Usenet and then poo-poohs it.

Yes, but this isn't about you (or me, for that matter ). To Gerry it
clearly IS relevant.

betty

 

Crikey, it MUST have been a VERY old ep of Dr Who - Brisvegas is a
sprawling, happening place now!!!

Yep, Mallacoota is one of those 'time stands still' places, for sure. My
very own Zero Room at the end of a crazy term. Lovely.

betty

 

Is mallacoota a place for sick coots?

 

It was a trolling expedition by some in the flight simulator newsgroup
who thought winding me up here might be a Good Thing. If you track
the header fields of Shy Biker and the guy in the other newsgroup
called MikeW, you'll probably be able to join the dots.

They've probably been sandbagging here for a while and worked out that
they'd get the best "leverage" by buddying up to WTF77 and GWF (or
Frost Of The AATTV as I now call him.) Little did they know... ;-)

It _was_ premeditated. They (the mad half-dozen) accuse me
(irrationally) of "destroying their newsgroup" (now where have we
heard this sort of thing before, eh?), so, it appears, that they have
decided to come here to try (in _their_ whacky minds) to destroy this
newsgroup. They are doomed to failure in both newsgroups, but that
will not stop this bunch of loonies.

Peace be with you, my daughter. ;-)

Please stop falling off bikes. You're starting to scare me.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Me, scare anybody? I can't even scare my Yr 10s, and goodness knows, I try,
hahaha!

Thanks Gerry

betty

 

Have you notices the number of USAF Vietnam veterans in that group who
have a problem with my "rhetoric"?

Are you familiar with the extent of the damage caused in Vietnam,
Laos, and Cambodia by the US's carpet bombing of those countries?

And you take issue with a bit of _verbal_ "carpet bombing" by me
against a few war mongering US patriots trying to dominate an
international flight sim newsgroup?

So now I'm a tosser because, based on my Vietnam experience, I have
found what I believe to be very valid reasons to doubt Frost Of The
AATTV's claims?

Then I would accept the fact that he served there. But, given the
major problems with is "story" he would need to prove it to me first.
And if we did knw hisreal name, we would be ablt oascetain fi he had
in fact served there and also, if so, whether he was a cook or a
combat skills instructor. His coyness and propensity for ducking and
weaving add to my suspicions, as does the absence, so far, of anyone
willing to come forward to vouch for Frost Of The AATTV's bona fides.

I offered to fly down to Melbourne and have a beer with him, and to
cry in our pretzels together over the tragedy that the Vietnam War
was, but as you know, he's way too evasive for that..

So it doesn't bother you that here is one veteran who claims that
there are serious questions about the veracity of another "veteran's"
story. It doens't bother you that there may be a guy here who is an
imposter of something as "sacred" as a war veteran?

I _guarantee_ you, Peter, that if George and I are in _any_ gathering
of Vietnam veterans, and I acquainted them with the "facts" he has
given us, they will _insist_ he provides proof of his veteran status,
because of the incredible nature of those "facts".

This guy's story is so dubious, it is _begging_ for him to deliver
proof.

And yes, I'll say it again: _Especially_ on ANZAC Day, do I take
umbrage at people whose veteran status is highly questionable.

But you don't care, remember...

My request for proof is an attack? Huh?

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Sorry Betty, but I have never "splashed Gerry's record of service on usenet"
at all

Never mentioned Gerry's time of service one bit

As to my service, I have said before and will say again
That is in the past, it was 49 years ago and what's happened has happened
and can't be altered one bit.
It is something that I try not to remember, even though it reminds me every
day.

If you think I am poo-poohing anything about Gerry, it is only his attitude
acting holier than thou and if you don't agree with him, then you are on the
outer.
Even if you make the error ( Gerry's interpretation ) of calling something
by name which is known to your native district,
Gerry's naming of the same thing is different, so he immediately calls you a
liar.
Which is what started this off in the first place.
As I tried to ask Gerry,
What do you call a canteloupe, or a suitcase or an eggplant ?
Strange I have never got an answer to those questions.
But,
Depends on where you were brought up

 

Geroge has just denied saying that, so went back and checked, and I
have to say George is right.

The "George" who said that had the following in their header field:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-Complaints-To:
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:

Shy Biker (aka MikeW as far as I'm concerned) has the same:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-Complaints-To:
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:

Seems this "sting" went deeper than we thought.

Sad puppies...
=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

So, George, the George W Frost who wrote this:

"No need to bring your Service Certificate, Gerry, it's online for the World
to see...."

and then provided a link to his Service Certificate for anybody on Usenet
who cared to click on it ...

and then wrote this:
"Only 146 days in country, hardly long enough to get your knees brown. "
wasn't you? My sincere apologies, George.

So my eyes must've been deceiving me when I read this, purportedly in a post
from you?
"Only 146 days in country, hardly long enough to get your knees brown. "
Again, my apologies, George. I must be seeing things.

blind betty

 

You're right. Seems your nice new "friend", Shy Biker (probably a
pommie bastard called Mike Winwood, ex British Army) decided to
impersonate you. Cool, eh?

How come you didn't yell your head off when that shit was posted under
your name?

This the "sarong" saga, right? Care to dig up your original comment
about it? As I recall, you said the Viet Cong wore sarongs. I'd
never heard anything so ludicrous. No one I know who has been to
Vietnam ever describes their dress as sarongs. The sarong does not
exist in Vietnam.

Sorry, but if you've been to Vietnam, even as a tourist, you'd know
that what you're probbly talking about is called an Áo Dài. If you'd
spent some time, as you claim, up close and personal with them,
training them, you'd certainly have known that.

But that's just _one_ of several inconsistencies. Enough for me to
challenge you to "put up or shut up."

Your evasiveness whenever you are pressed, only adds to my suspicions.


=================

Onya bike

Gerry