yamaha 1973 GT 80

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by hogdawg, Nov 18, 2006.

  1. hogdawg

    hogdawg Guest

    please can anyone help ? i have a 73 GT 80 has carb prob.! keeps
    fouling plug ! need help with setting air/fuel/mix also oil injector
    system bypassed ! fuel/oil premixed THANKS
     
    hogdawg, Nov 18, 2006
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  2. hogdawg

    B-12 Guest

    Well, you might be pre-mixing too much oil with your gasoline.

    I didn't know how much ordinary motor oil would be enough in my first
    two stroke, so I mixed about a 3 to 1 ratio, and that was an awful
    mess.

    One quart of oil in five gallons of gasoline is a 20:1 mixture and
    that's plenty of mineral oil for larger 2-strokes, like 250cc engines

    You can mix automotive mineral oil about 32:1 in an engine that small
    and have no problems except for excess smoke, or you can mix a
    synthetic 2-stroke oil about 50:1...

    The idle mixture screw is an air screw, so turning it counterclockwise
    lets more air into the idle mixture.

    About 2-1/2 turns out is about as far as you'd want to go, and you have
    to be careful that the screw doesn't get so loose (it has a spring
    under it to keep it sort of tight) that it falls out, and you'd have a
    hard time finding another screw.

    Your problem might not really be an adjustment problem, it may be
    caused by an accumulation of premix in the crankcase.

    The fouling problem may be caused by a sticky float valve in the
    carburetor or a leaky petcock with a sticky float valve.

    Even if you shut the petcock off every night, it might still leak, and
    enough premix could leak past the sticky float valve and run down into
    the crankcase, and then everytime you try to start the engine, it
    throws a bunch of excess oil onto the spark plug and it immediately
    fouls.

    Excess premix oil tends to build up in the crankcase anyway. The hot
    engine evaporates whatever gasoline is left in the crankcase when you
    shut it off, but the oil doesn't evaporate, it accumulates.

    European 2-stroke engine designers knew about the problem of oil
    accumulation, and they designed engines that had drain plugs underneath
    the crankshaft so owners could drain the accumulation out of the
    crankcase. I'm NOT talking about the transmission oil drain plug.

    Suzuki is the only Japanese manufacturer that ever had those plugs
    underneath the engine. That was on the T-500 Titan. There was a large
    slot-headed screw under each cylinder.

    Then they came up with the idea of having each adjacent cylinder suck
    the excess
    oil out of its neighbor cylinder through a small diameter rubber tube,
    but that never worked worth a damn because the accumulated oil was too
    thick from being distilled by engine heat and nobody else ever tried
    it.

    If you have a lot of oil accumulating in the crankcase, about all you
    can do is remove the spark plug and kick the engine over until it blows
    out the spark plug hole.

    Or remove the cylinder head and kick the engine over and keep wiping up
    the excess pre-mix as it blow out the transfer ports in the cylinder.

    I forgot to shut the petcock off when I parked my Yamaha motocrosser,
    and the crankcase was absolutely flooded with pre-mix. I would kick
    start the engine and it would immediately foul the plug, and I would
    clean the plug and start the engine and it would foul again.

    I knew I had an accumulation of gasoline in the cylinder, but how to
    get it out?

    I removed the cylinder head and kicked and kicked and the pre-mix just
    kept spraying out of the transfer ports and I wiped it up with a rag...
     
    B-12, Nov 18, 2006
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  3. hogdawg

    hogdawg Guest

    re: the oil injector system ? do i need to plug the feed line or dose
    it matter ?
     
    hogdawg, Nov 18, 2006
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  4. hogdawg

    hogdawg Guest

    also dose it matter if the oil injector line is pluged or ?
     
    hogdawg, Nov 18, 2006
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  5. hogdawg

    hogdawg Guest

     
    hogdawg, Nov 18, 2006
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  6. hogdawg

    B-12 Guest

    It's a positive displacement pump, so whatever it pumps has to go out
    the tube to the
    engine. If you plug the output tube, you might ruin the pump because
    the pressure has nowhere to go.

    If you decide that you just won't feed it any oil to pump, it might
    wear out inside because it probably needs the oil it's supposed to pump
    to lubricate some of the internal parts.

    Therefore, if you're not going to inject oil, the best bet is to remove
    the injector pump and
    cover the hole it came out of.
     
    B-12, Nov 19, 2006
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  7. hogdawg

    hogdawg Guest

    well Gene: in re: to you question i found in older bikes the injuctor
    system can fail ! and then i would have only more problums ! 77 kawaski
    w/injector system bypassed just fine! any other useful info greatly
    appreciated !

     
    hogdawg, Nov 22, 2006
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