You'll Never Take Me Alive, Heddlu!

But only if you tell them.

All sweller needs to do is get the DVLA to send him a a duplicate
copy of his license as he has mislaid his. Tada! TWO licences!

Leave your lost one at home and have the points stuck on the new one
or v.v.

It shouldn't be a problem unless you do something *really* naughty in
the future for which the police have cause to pull you.

 

Well, there was some useful advice at SP30.com...

 

You're trolling, right?

InsCos don't ask for your licence any more, they ask Plod if you have
anything interesting, when you make a claim. Then they refuse to pay
out, on non-disclosure of a material fact.

You're trolling, right? Plod don't look at your licence any more,
they do a PNC check before they pull you. Driving while banned, sir?
Put your hands out in front of you, wrists together - now bend over
.... we won't use any lube if it's all the same to you ...

You may enjoy that of course, but others MMV.

 

It's not Gwynedd Constabulary, North Wales Plod are all one "group"

have'nt seen that one yet .... thanks will keep an eye out for it. They also
have a Ford Galaxy people carrier with cameras on the dash, and a few Ford
and Vauxhall repmobile type motors.

mental note .... watch future episodes

damn ... Wessie and Lozzo .. take note this is a time when GPS would've been
a GOOD thing

I too had an "event" this weekend

http://www.nwbikers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=716

I'm still waiting to hear from them. No doubt if I'd had run the little twat
over I'd have heard from them by now

I got stopped years ago on the Wrexham bypass (A483) at 111mph and expected
a ban .... my brief even had me believing I'd not been speeding .. so get a
good brief.

<snip>

 

THANKYOU Sweller

<snip>

 

Steve Parry wrote:

God, what a crap board. No offence to you, like.

Is it just me, or is *every* web-based "bikers" bulletin board, from
nwbikers to visordown, populated with utter tossers?

The decent thing about ukrm is that the ones who really can't cope with
the hurly-burly tend to **** off sharpish, but the seem to hang around
web forums like flies.

 

You had to be there I guess .. we came very close to what could have been a
serious off.

My main gripe is north Wales plods decision not to have open stations in the
evenings, and that given the excess focus on speeding offenses other
potential serious accident situations seem to have gone right down the
agenda.

 

<fx: sucks teeth>

 

wrote

Not just biker boards.

Easy for the hard of thinking to do though innit, just click on a link
and look at the pictures and suffer no cunts who are going to tell you
about poor posting styles.

It might also be a Big fish in a Little Pond Syndrome it is easy for a
huge ego to simply disappear in the noise around these parts and this
has got to upset those with only a slightly engorged one. And it does
seem the case that a lot of cunts who visit us for only a short while
think they are something they are not and get really pissed off when
hundreds of us are simply not impressed.

 

Rats! You are correct. In which case, a ban is quite likely.

HVB

 

How sure are you that they got you with the gun?

I only ask, 'cause two police officers tried it on with me once. I
know they didn't get me with the laser gun, but that didn't stop them
from pretending they did and backing each other up with their
fabrication.

How can I be so sure? I was really going 40mph (indicated) faster
than they said I was. At the speed I was going, I know they didn't
have time to see me and target me with the gun. If they'd really got
me they'd have got the speed right and they'd have thrown the book at
me. I've calmed down a bit now, now I'm old.

So if you're not sure you were really caught, a good defence solicitor
might be able to argue that you weren't going as fast as they thought
- while it won't get you off the speeding charge, it might get you off
a ban.

HVB

 

Yes it is - though the literature you'll get with your summons
suggests otherwise. I didn't know this either until the Magistrates
mentioned it in Court.

Not sure if it's beneficial or not.

If you turn up, the Magistrates may think you're taking it seriously
and might be minded to be more lenient if they believe you've learned
your lesson.

On the other hand, if the case is heard in your absence you don't get
the opportunity to show contrition but you do save the Court a small
amount of time - and they're very busy dealing with people who haven't
paid their TV licence (average fine when I was there just £30) and
other assorted ne'er do wells.

HVB

 

Insurers are only interested in two things:

1 - Getting your premium from you
2 - Finding a way of weaseling out of paying any claim

The effect of 2 is that they spend a considerable amount of time and
money trying to find a way of getting themselves off the hook... so I
wouldn't recommend handing it to them on a plate.

HVB

 

As we know from certain others of this parish, it's possible,
sometimes, to avoid a ban if you can persuade them that it was an
abberation and that you need your license for work, etc. I succeeded
in this myself one time in the early 90's.

Common practise - pleading guilty by post.

If you're going to plead mitigation, or better still get a brief to do
it for you, you will need to turn up. Doing it by post will just get a
standard penalty, with the ban and all. OK, so you can send a letter
of mitigation, but will they actually read it?

Aye, especially if you look the part.

Well you will be made to pay costs, for sure, but it's only really if
you fight it that the penalties will be increased.

Best bet, if it's not been already siad, is to get a solicitor to go
along and plead mitigation for you. You should be able to get your
legal costs paid through your insurance anyway.

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Also, make sure you disclose all your prior indiscretions even stuff
from way back. I did the suit, brief, humble and apologetic bit and
still got a 3 month ban. My brief (useless twat) reckoned this was
down to 2 things.

1. I was unlucky to be up before a judge instead of a magistrate.
2. I failed to disclose an ancient prior speeding conviction which I
had completely forgotton about.

Still, on the plus side my insurance premiums don't seem to have gone
up at all. A ban may be better for you provided you can grovel it down
to an acceptable number of days.

 

I will say it just once more. Take references and get your solicitor to
contact a Brief who specialises in this field and has an excellent
reputation. One of the anti-gatso websites must have some pointers.
He will go over all the aspects of the case and the evidence looking for
loopholes. If there are none he will advice on the best strategy to
employ to see if they will inadvertantly drop the ball.
In the final cut he will advise you how to appear and represent yourself
in court.

The people who process speeding tickets are jobsworths, they make
mistakes. Certain types of detection equipment have been held to be
inaccurate and erratic with motorcycles. The officers employed make
mistakes. The court proceedings/officers have vulnerabilities.

OTOH it can cost. I think the most was only £750 in 1997 money though.
Say £1500 now. That was Reckless + Racing and 128

 

<Impressed>

Details? And what happened in court?

 

I'm sure it's been posted before but in the end I was convicted of no
offences. That was the toughest, all the run of the mill tickets have
been pretty easy. I've not been convicted of a traffic offence for over
15 years including 2 Gatso this past 2 years. Natuarally I was
completely innocent in each and every case.

 

I was only quoting what some trucker bloke told me once. He had two
licences so that if he got any points he'd have it stuck on one
licence so that his employment would still be safe. He said it was
common for trucker and other large courier firm drivers to have 'lost'
a licence.

If one is banned from driving then it would be unwise to drive even if
you have a 'clean' duplicate.

 

Or trade union?