Your ideal cafe?

Richard Sherratt wrote

That'll be because that is all Lager is. The word Lager itself its said
to come from Dutch/German sources and is the name of the cool cellar
where the "beer" is put for the final stages of fermentation. In all
other respects, except the source and flavour of the beer, lager is
identical to any other hop/barley beer produced anywhere on the planet.

The reason it is drunk freezing cold is to disguise the fact it has no
flavour. Ordinary lagers, like ordinary beers are best drunk at celler
temperature.

 

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

 

the alcohol intake has nothing to do with that

 

Hmm. Lager uses bottom-fermenting yeast, whereas bitter uses top
fermenting yeast. The temperature is a requirement of the yeast,
not the other way round.

BICBW, that may be just pilsner.

 

It's the brewing temerature that's important.

No, you are right. The old man was spouting bollocks.

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ogden wrote

Traditionally yes but many mass produced keg beers now use lager yeasts
as they are slightly cheaper to clean out after fermentation has
finished. Also the European hops, which again are designed for the
conditions peculiar to lager production but have made their way into
British Beers, are not as deeply flavoured as their Kentish or West
Country cousins.

The temperature difference is to slow the final fermentation process
down. Apart from adding a slightly different flavour, from decomposing
dead yeast, the extra time spent in the cellar means less
time/effort/chemicals need to be used to clear the brew.

 

fluffycat says...

I beg your pardon!

I demand a retraction of that statement, young lady.

 

If you do'nt like beer, the diffrence is more like the diffrence
between eeting lion and tiger only if you do'nt like the taste of
pussy. I like them bothe.

What do you want. Information?

Lager have diffrent brewing technique to lower final dencity and
ingredients
aromantic hops
blond malt
cold bottom-fermentig yeast.
pure watter from river rhine

bitter is faster have bitter hops and darker malts and bigger dencity.
Warm top fermentig yeast. Watter iss from Burton or hav salts in.

 

darsy scribbled:

I'm (mildly) interested in why you can't make the connection between
stereotypical biker cafes (as described by you) and biking, the
pasttime. And why you assumed I was talking about aptitude and not
enjoyment of.

So do I, but I suspect I'd have the same problems as I have with the
Hyundai Coupé, minus 6" of headroom.

 

MONG!

 

ogden scribbled:

Apart from %ABV, is there any other aspects that matter apart from
flavour (flavour including things like "fullness", "bitterness", and
maybe even viscosity)? Oh, temperature of course. But any others?

When its brewing, yes, but when its finished killing the yeast with the
wrong temperature doesn't matter. Do they use finings to drop the yeast
in beer/lager as in wine?

 

frag wrote

It is all about flavour. Although lager has a slightly different
process is still just another Barley Beer.

Have done since the Egyptians first got credited with being first to do
it back before I were a lad even. It is the only way to get the stuff
clear in a short time and traditionally beers are drunk young, almost
infantile in some respects.

 

Whinging Courier scribbled:

I've tried some of the beers mentioned here, and whilst drinkable I
wouldn't go back for a second pint. The only one I found I liked was
one of Tennents beers/lagers. I *think* it was labelled (on the pump)
as Tennents Export but I've only ever seen it in one pub while on a
longboat holiday, when I proceeded to get absolutely fucking smashed on
it. Looked out for it ever since but never seen it again.

I assume Tennets, being owned/brewed by !nBev is one of the scummy mega
corps people declare as "beer for lager drinkers"? (which is what I
am)

As to flavours of lager, try comparing Stella to 1669. The former is
nice, the latter I find horrible. Fosters is great if you don't really
want to get pissed and its boiling hot, etc.

Anyway, horses for courses.

<thinks> Could of been £7.50. It was from that specialist smokers shop
in Bletchley, www.uksmokers.com . I asked for one that wouldn't kill a
normal, low volume, ciggie smoker. (site appears to be dead ATM)

 

your point being what, joey?

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, steve auvache amazed us all with this pearl of
wisdom:

Body as well. It's no good having flavour if it feels like water. I like
a beer that feels like you can chew it.

 

i'm sorry.
so, you really are always pissed, then?
*disappointed*

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, frag amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:

Most of the exports are ok because they're brewed in the country of
origin and not made under licence here. That's a good point actually.
Holsten is another lager that's drinkable.

I suppose I feel the same way about lager as you do about "proper beer".

Stella's good if you know someone who goes to Belgium and brings it
back. It's nicer in bottles and more refreshing than the stuff out of
cans.

Agreed.

Just as long as you know who imports them. If it's (IIRC) Hunters and
Frankau then you'll be good to go. We in the UK get the best Havanas in
the world, see.

 

Whinging Courier wrote

Depends dunnit. Horses for courses and all that shit. One of them pale
light east anglian bitters out of a barrel set in the shade with a damp
cloth over it on a hot summer afternoon is a treat, as is a nice warm
pint of dark northern heavy supped round a fire on damp winter evening.

 

Whinging Courier says...

Only because the Yanks can't have them.

 

fluffycat says...

No. It's because it's *you* m'dear. There's no need for disappointment
now, you can have that during and afterwards.