[QUOTE="Lozzo"] Rubbish, the vast majority would easily tell one bland feeling and sounding engine compared against something that is both lively and involving. The 800i is quite honestly the most bland engine that Honda have made in decades.[/QUOTE] Are you *sure* it was a VFR you rode and not some bland inline 4? 'cos the 800 still has the characteristic bark all the Honda VFRs have.