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I'm talking about home here. Surfing, email, youtube, file downloads.

A proper 1mb of internet bandwidth "off network" is something lots of UK
consumers with claimed XXmb adsl lines have never seen.

Only thing I can think of for 10+ lines is watching streaming TV. I use a TV
or a Sat dish for that. I'm happy if a blu-ray rip downloads in an hour or
two, I don't need it in 5 minutes.

 

A lot of what you mention sounds like work stuff to me. I'm talking domestic
internet. In the office requirements are higher.

Giving everyone a 10Base-T connection into work from home is a daft idea.
That's what RDC/Terminal Server/Citrix is for. The national fibre backbones
could never cope with everyone running 10 or 100 meg real time links.

 

do you have it on DVD?

I've been thinking about buying it for a while.

 

I'm talking about home. I do that stuff from home, when I can't be
bothered to go to the office.. and nowadays lots of people do.

Also you're not sharing a house with a full family - what if a few
people all want to watch different things on their streaming iplayers,
and the like..

Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean it's not the way
forward - korea (iirc) has an average 100mb broadband speed - and the
apps to make use of that kind of bandwidth will come along.

Remember when bill gates said nobody will need more than 640k?

 

1) I work from home, as do many other people.
2) I download from home, for personal and work.
3) I video conference (Skype etc) from home, for personal and work.
4) I VPN from home, for personal and work. Admittedly, mostly work.

Are these concepts realy so alien to you?

I have no idea what you just said, but I'd hazard a guess it's bollocks.

 

Giving everyone an uncontended 10 base T yes.

Which is why in my example I used 10base2 as the standard - it was a
contended link with a 10meg max throughput.

I'd rather have a 10 meg link contended at 20:1 than and uncontended 1
meg link, as most of the time I'm using it the former will actually
work out the quicker of the two.

 

It's english, Jim, but not as we know it...

 

No, no, NO! It goes:

"English, Motherfucker. Do you speak it?"

 

Sorry, but although I've seen that expression used on here[1], it's
alien[2] to me. I'll stick to things I know, TYVM.

[1] And presumably it comes from a film of some description.
[2] I mean, 'motherfucker'? Do I look like an american?

 

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All those are practical with a proper 1mb connection. I'm talking here about
a 1meg leased line equivalent.
All the UK hype about 20meg BB is mostly that, hype. It is contended at one
point or another. If you prefer lets settle on 5 or 10megs

Well remember I have co-owned an ISP.

It doesn't take much working out. Muiltiply your desires by the number of BB
households. Add all the corporate use. No wonder if UK Telco fibre
transmission gear can move all that around uncontended. I suggest not.

Even once BT completes its 21st C project I doubt it will be possible.
Blaney??

 

Only until everyone else starts doing the same.

If you really use up 20meg downloads I expect they will be disconnecting you
under the new Act soon anyway.

There is another angle, most of what high bandwidth connections might get
used for is probably dodgy anyway.

 

I don't get it.

 

CT!

 

The whole point is people don't all want to do the same thing at the
same time, there might be the equivalent of a rush hour but overall
it's still the best option.

Let's put it another way, on average which would allow you to get to a
destination quicker (on local plates, before this thread goes off at a
real tangent)?

A single carriageway, with average speed cameras, a 40mph limit, and
just you on it.

Or.

A 3 lane motorway, with a 70mph limit, and a varable amount of traffic
at given times of the day.

That's a huge assumption to make. Actually I don't think I use
anything like 20, but I do take advantage of a fast speed more often
than not.

I pretty much never download films or dodgy torrents, but was
regularly going over Zen's limits when I was using them. I frequently
use iplayer, SkyPlayer and other streaming, VOIP and video
conferencing, play games online, and sometimes download ISO images
(but generally not of films)


Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree - it'll be a dull
conversation to carry on furthe...zzzzzzz.

 

Not really. I clubbed together with a load of mates at work to buy it
when it still seemed expensive. Then there were redundancies, and I
ended up with Series 2.

I do have it all downloaded as DVD rips in .avi that I can stick on disc
for you if you wish.

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Indeed. RDC sucks. It sucks more with slow connections.

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that's about 5 times in as many days - we need to implement a 306pf
warning or something.

 

Transferring Multi-Gb files across a VPN while using high quality video
conferencing and dowloading multi-Gb files from usenet, at the same
time, is practical over a 1mb connection?

Where one of the three needs to be real time, another needs to be as
fast as possible and the other it as fast as I'd like to have it but
probably not critical?

But you're only looking at the UK.

Which is why I struggle to understand why you struggle to comprehend
that people want things faster.

You see to be stuck in the early 90's.

The same was said when we were all on dialup. "how would they all cope
if we had free dialup?!". The unmetered free dial up cam along and
boomed, then busted, then it reigned itself in, later ISDN/ADSL started
to become generally available, and it was "Oh noes! What if everyone
had 'narrowband' connections, how would they cope?!", and then
'broadband' connections started to become available and..... etc.

The fact that you have had a virtual monopoly provider taking care of a
great deal of the tele-net stuff, and not exactly marching forward to
constantly improve their service and product offerings is not a good
reason to say "1Mb" is enough for everyone.

Many parts of the rest of the world are hugely more advanced than the
UK in terms of net connectivity - and always have been, probably always
will be.

Just exactly how 21C is this project? Does it involve routing fibre to
every existing home in the land?

 

You Sir are talking bollocks. I use it every day and very nice it is. Still
better than any VNC it seems.
And Terminal Server manages to beam out our image enabled oncology system
across West Yorkshire ok and that's one FO app.