ZX9R First Impressions

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by jackhackettuk, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. It's bloody good on fuel.

    It could do with a bigger screen when saddled with a heffalump like
    me.

    Second gear mingers are feasible... and for the first time in my life,
    I feel comfortable with the concept that 'getting your knee down',
    might be .

    Speaking of gears... really lovely gearbox - silky smooth and light to
    the touch as well.

    The sooner I get the carbs balanced, the better - bit jerky on the
    over-run round town at present.

    Not as pokey in the upper gears as I expected at motorway speeds and
    beyond, but then that's something the VFR excels at - hopefully a
    decent can and dyno session will improve this (Bear?)

    All in all, very happy with it so far. :)
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 17, 2008
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  2. jackhackettuk

    Lozzo Guest

    The manual says you have to remove the carbs to put the adaptors into
    the block, then refit to do the balancing, remove again to remove the
    adaptors and plug the vacuum lines back up and then finally replace
    again, but if you have the dexterity and proper adaptors it can be done
    with the carbs in place, thereby saving about an hour's extra work.
    You'll need a 1/4 drive 6mm socket to remove one of the original
    plugs[1] from the block IIRC. A 3/8 extension shaft is too fat to fit
    between the float bowls.

    The same procedure applies to the ZX7R, and you don't have to remove
    those carbs either.

    [1] Cyl 3 or 4, I can't remember
     
    Lozzo, Sep 17, 2008
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I found that if you want a 9R to turn in fast then you've got to lift
    the back end and **** about with tyre profiles but if you want to get
    through corners quickly then you've got to accept that it'll shake
    like a bastard as you exit them.

    Ditch the 190 back tyre and go to a 180 and you'll notice a massive
    difference. Bear's already suggested an Ohlins rear shock and I'll
    second that idea but you can use a shock designed for earlier models
    if you want to and the only difference is that the E1 has ride height
    adjustment as standard and if you go for a shock designed for an
    earlier model the Ohlins gives you this and you end up able to adjust
    it twice - this isn't a bad thing. The Ohlins on Adies 9R was designed
    for a Z1000 and it was better than the suggested one because you can
    **** with the suspension even more than you'd normally be able to.

    If the brakes give you problems you should consider changing to EBC
    Pro-Lite discs and EBC HH pads because they work well even with the
    standard 6 pots and they last longer than Kawasaki discs. We changed
    the calipers to 4 pots on Adies bike because the standard ones had
    done a shit load of miles and needed new seals but the 6 pots worked
    well enough for the majority of riders.

    I fitted a full Akro exhaust on the bike with no re-jetting and just
    changed to a K&N air filter and though I never dynoed the bike it felt
    faster and above all else it felt sounded better.

    Get a double bubble screen if you ever want to use a tankbag and
    you'll have a bike capable of touring at stupidly high speeds without
    the aches you'll get with a newer litre bike. The tank range will vary
    between 100 miles and 160 miles depending on how you ride it and the
    only real problem you'll encounter will be carb icing.

    My only really serious warning is to not use a jet wash on the back
    end because if you wash the grease out of the wheel bearing and in
    particular the bearing in the sprocket carrier you'll end up with a
    foad hole in your swinging arm and a big dose of brown trousers when
    you realise how close you came to lobbing it in a terminal manner.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Sep 17, 2008
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  4. Fair enough.
    Aye, well once I got off the motorway and on to some decent fast A
    roads, I started having a proper play with it... at which point I
    discovered just where it really is stonking compared to the VFR - flat
    out at higher revs in third and fourth. :-D

    Bloody lovely.

    And the handling... the bloke who sold it to me reckoned it was too
    flighty for his liking - didn't feel twitchy or anything to me.

    Might help that I'm a lot heavier than the previous owner though.

    He's replaced it with a totally mint ZX7R btw
    Smoothest gearbox I've ever had on a bike, and I have had the odd
    Yamaha, Suzuki and a, (spit), Triumph thrown into the mix.
    Absolutely.
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 17, 2008
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  5. jackhackettuk

    Lozzo Guest

    Suzuki make the sweetest gearboxes, followed by Yamaha (but their
    clutches are shite), Kawasaki and then Honda. I had no problem with my
    Triumph gearbox, it changed up with no clutch as smoothly as a Yamaha
    one, but when it needed an oil change the gearbox let you know first.
    It was a good service indicator.
     
    Lozzo, Sep 17, 2008
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  6. jackhackettuk

    Lozzo Guest

    Valve clearances are a piece of piss for anyone with a modicum of
    intelligence and some decent tools. So is carb balancing.
     
    Lozzo, Sep 17, 2008
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  7. Yup... but I personally loathe working on cars / bikes beyond changing
    bulbs / adjusting things like the chain / head races, hence why I'd
    rather pay someone else to do it for me.
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 17, 2008
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  8. The story so far is... he wanted something more robust to commute on
    than the 916 he had, so this was when he bought the 9R but couldn't
    get on with how easy it dropped into bends, apparently.

    So that's the main reason for getting a 7R, so he says - it needs to
    be muscled more into bends than the 9R.

    That, and he found it too easy to go too fast on the 9R. Personally,
    I think it's quite mild mannered and docile when you've not got the
    revs up and pleasant to pootle about on from what I've seen of it so
    far.
    And did ok with it by comparison?
    Should our paths ever cross, feel free to have a go on it.

    Be nice to know if it's as good as a good one is, IYSWIM.
    Excellent.

    Not that I'd ever do such a thing...
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 18, 2008
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    jackhackettuk, Sep 18, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    eh? I have no recollection of that at all.

    I've had a bang on the head, you know.
     
    Champ, Sep 18, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    Kawasaki's almost always are, ime. Check any magazine group test, and
    the Honda is usually the worst, and the Kwack usually the best.
    They certainly are...
    That sort of depends by what you mean by 'motorway speeds'. As Bear
    says, at 70 in top the engine is hardly turning. It should pull
    pretty well from 100mph in top, tho.
     
    Champ, Sep 18, 2008
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    SD Guest

    <waves CBX in a threatening manner>
     
    SD, Sep 18, 2008
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    Krusty Guest

    Allow me to step in with a similar story then. First year of the MV
    1000, Jorg Teuchert was due to race one in the German Superbike
    championship. He turned up at the first round, but was barred from
    riding it as they hadn't finished the homologation run. So rather than
    give up & go home, he borrowed a totally stock MV 750, fitted slick
    tyres, & went racing. Bear in mind this was a standard 750 road bike
    versus full superbike spec R1s, Gixer Thous, Fireblades etc.

    He came sixth.

    --
    Krusty
    www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
    Off-Road Classifieds

    '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250
     
    Krusty, Sep 18, 2008
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  14. The CBRs I've had have always been pretty good on fuel, and this
    particular VFR has been a pleasant surprise as well given how shit the
    750s I've had could be on fuel if ragged enough.

    All power to the 'Fi', I guess.
    Indeed... I now want to do a wheelie school at some stage. :)
    I guess I'm used to the more linear power curve of the VFR - might get
    my mate to ride that at some stage before it gets sold, with me on the
    9R for some real world comparisons.
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 18, 2008
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  15. jackhackettuk

    Champ Guest

    No, that's ok - low to mid 40s was what I always got out of mine.
     
    Champ, Sep 18, 2008
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  16. How did you find your Daytona compared to your 9R in terms of power?

    I beginning to wonder if my Daytona was a bit fecked given even the
    VFR has more go than that had.

    Horrid bike! :)
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 18, 2008
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    boots Guest

    You'll do yourself a mischief.
     
    boots, Sep 18, 2008
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  18. jackhackettuk

    Lozzo Guest

    The 9R was far more mental, but ultimately not really much faster. In
    old bike terms it's like comparing a 350LC with a VF400F. Both have
    similar performance figures for acceleration and top speed, but the LC
    just felt wild and far more visceral, where the Honda just got on with
    it and put in times that were just as good on acceleration, but a touch
    faster at the top end.

    The Triumph was more composed but still topped out at 170 on the clock,
    acceleration was certainly better than the 9R, but it just didn't
    accelerate like a bastard in a 9R manner, it gathered speed incredibly
    quickly. The Triumph droned its way to top speed, where the 9R growled
    and barked everywhere. I loved the triple engine, it made really good
    power all the way through the rev range and you could stick it in 5th
    and go scratching everywhere knowing it had the grunt to pull any gear
    at any speed out of a corner, but the 9R needed you to do the gearbox
    dance if you wanted to make good progress.
    Sounds like you had a dog. Mine was a fully dealer serviced 10K mile
    2004 model when I bought it, with one careful lady owner to its name.
    I'd love another 955i triple, probably a Sprint ST if I can find a nice
    low mileage post 2003 one. Even a Tiger if I could touch the floor
    properly.
     
    Lozzo, Sep 18, 2008
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  19. lol...never got anywhere near that on the one I had.
    Now I know for sure mine had problems.
    I like that though, within reason... hence why me and CBR600s are no
    longer friends, but then to be fair, the newest 600 I've ridden was my
    S plate Fazer.

    The newer stuff must be a lot better.
    Indeed.

    Bought it off a 'mate' in the trade as well.

    Still, it was cheap, and I lost nothing on it when I sold it on, bar
    maybe any faith I did have in Triumphs.
    I do like the Speed Triple... and I was well impressed with the torque
    the Tiger I went on the back of, had.
     
    jackhackettuk, Sep 18, 2008
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  20. jackhackettuk

    deadmail Guest


    This did happen for one race I went to at that place in wales.

    IIRC he was riding a (close to) stock 9R that belonged to a mate... and
    dropped it. Whoops.
     
    deadmail, Sep 18, 2008
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