[QUOTE="Vass"] seen that tatty blue '04 R1 they want £ 5k for? the salesman was visibly eembarrassed when I raised the point about its condition vs price [/QUOTE] Can't say I noticed TBH. It's not your local bike shop, is it? IIRC you're down on the coast? work in Godalming so pass it every day (left 7:15am got to work 8:50am for just 45 miles)